Shannon Beador Sues Divorce Attorney, Wins Defamation Suit

[00:00:01]happy tuesday wait no wednesday it's wednesday and we're here for coffee and curry words i have my i heart crazy words shirt on we have lots to talk about i am still bouncing back from my first vaccination and that's a thing so it's going to be a thing today i am ready to talk housewives i will touch a little bit on like a kind of wrap-up of stuff in just a moment and then we'll dive into shannon bedore's and by the way i'm ready for her to go to shannon storms like shannon storms is the coolest name ever but i get that her daughter's a door i completely understand anyway we're getting into real housewife of orange county shannon suing her divorce attorney we watched part of this divorce play out uh during the seasons of real housewives of orange county there was also a defamation suit that i hadn't really jumped into but it's not just a defamation suit it's a defamation suit that like started on a podcast that involves two housewives and the husband of another housewife and there's an anti-slap litigation and lawyers fees like there's a lot going on so we're gonna do an overview of that too so those are the two big things that we're covering we'll do a quick little round up and you know i've got my coffee and we just ought we just are gonna do the thing today we're just gonna do it we're just gonna do it so it's wednesday we should just we should just get into it hey there if we haven't met yet i'm emily d baker the badass lawyer and everyone's favorite legal commentator i'm the host of the emily show and i break down the legal behind the news and pop culture stories we all want to talk about i have been a licensed attorney for over 15 years but this is not legal advice i should warn you i'm a big fan of the curse words this channel is where the law nerds unite to talk about facts not all right y'all before we jump all the way into it i just have to share because today is the day that the new pride merch launched it's available in the lawnerd shop at 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do better at sharing this in a really formalized way so anyway um that's what that is glad to share and if you guys want to go follow chris on um on the uh on the instagrams it's a road trip to love and you can give him some love but i was so blessed in my ted talk and then i swear we're gonna get into stuff i was so blessed the day i gave my ted talk to speak with amazing speakers and on a really diverse range of topics and it's just it's just it's just been incredible so it's i'm glad to be able to share all the success that they are seeing in their lives too because i feel like um the other ted speakers that day and i are just this little group where we're all kind of watching and rooting for one another and the growth that everybody's having so we should get in to shannon the madore do you guys want to get into the divorce stuff first should we get into the divorce stuff first now that we've we've shared all the things and chitty chitty chatted about the things should we should we just should we just draw drop drop hearts drop hearts in the chat if you're ready to get into the divorce stuff yes let's everybody's like yes yes yes divorce let's get into the divorce stuff for sure let's do that all right my phone is buzzing off of the off the hook right now so we're gonna have to put on do not disturb thank you guys it's buzzing from your merch orders at lonardshop.com all right so shannon bedour hold on let me pull this up and make sure we've got it we've got it ready to go because we're professionals here people and i'm going to swoop it so we can time stamp it real easy and then last thing last thing um if you have questions about what we go through i will go through questions at the end um so i'm gonna go through the divorce stuff then i'm gonna get into this defamation lawsuit and then i'm gonna come back for questions you can tell i'm a little distracted today i am more distractible when i'm tired for sure so i am going to be doing all of that first and then i will be back and we'll talk about all of the things so we'll do a quick tldr on who shannon bedour is and we'll go from there sound good sound good all right it works for me too shannon bedour real housewive of orange county was in the process for a number of seasons of getting divorced from her now ex-husband uh david badour now on a side note her maiden name is storms and i think shannon storms is like some kind of superhero name and it's amazing and i love it but i get that she has kids and that they might not want to have their mom under a different last name so no shade there but it i always have to mention it because she's shannon storm's bedour and i think it's rad she has been on numerous seasons of real housewives of orange county we first met her in the first season when she was talking about having crystals in the foundation of her home and built like into the walls of her home she had one of the most lavish housewives houses um aside from heather dubrow popping her champs um and was always fun to watch i actually really enjoy shannon there are definitely there was definitely a season where the drinking was a bit rough um while the divorce was going on and we saw the divorce somewhat play out on screen her talking about back and forth in court her going through the pain and the emotion and the stress of going through a high profile high net worth divorce and all of the lawyer things that went on behind the scenes well news broke um pretty widely this week end of last week that she is now suing her divorce attorney this was filed on october 6 2020 but is just coming to light now as sometimes these things do then this has happened across other lawsuits i've covered too it's like oh this has been going on but nobody was checking for it and so now it has come to light and we see that there is this ongoing lawsuit with her former divorce attorney so what does that look like we're gonna go through the different causes of action and talk about what she is saying that they have done wrong this is essentially a legal malpractice lawsuit for monetary damages asking for money to fix the that was done wrong now current status of the case just so you know what's happening with the case is that this is going to uh binding arbitration in the retainer agreement that she signed with her former attorney there was an arbitration clause and this case is now going into arbitration so out of the trial system into arbitration to be resolved hopefully with them and a third party and it's most likely that that's what will happen now this uh civil complaint looks a little different from a lot of the ones that we go through this is a very simple basic form filed complaint again no shade there it's efficient it's getting it done it's like these are the causes of action this is what it is it is a complaint for professional negligence for monetary damages and you will see if you watch it on youtube because this will also be on the podcast you can see the um the breakdown of what that looks like with all the little check boxes and then the causes of action the causes of action are pretty clear so there are nine things that shannon is complaining of from her former attorney in this the defendant is the former attorney that's the person that's being sued the plaintiff is shannon bador the person who is sue wing and so when we go through this talking about defendant and plaintiff that's the position of the parties defendant phillips and his firm the llp defendant were engaged to represent plaintiff in connection with the disillusion of marriage proceedings that's the formal legal name for a divorce a divorce is actually technically called a dissolution of marriage in california other states generally also call it the disillusion of marriage in doing so and throughout the course of the representations defendants failed to represent plaintiffs properly causing her damage said failures include but are not limited to the following non-exhaustive items meaning this is the basis of it but there could be more so non-exhaustive means there could be other things that aren't being complained up here and we can prove those things later item number one defendants failed to include the cost of plaintiff's children on children's ongoing education college and wrongfully advised plaintiff that the payment obligations regarding the same need not be included in the marital settlement agreement that is the the divorce agreement when the court says this is what you all have to do for you know time going forward i think that i'm not surprised this is item number one i think this is a big one we saw on the show and of course tv is not reality but it is reality tv so i assume that we're seeing some of what's going on in people's lives we saw that there was contention there between shannon and david we saw that they were having a hard time communicating we saw how hurt she was by his infidelity and how difficult it was negotiating for this settlement i am very surprised that the girls college was not considered in these payments whether it's part of the child support whether it's agreed that each parent will uh support 50 of the ongoing cost of college whatever it is i was very surprised to see that that was not included and i imagine that that is a big item of contention as you have numerous children becoming college age one who's already in college that that becomes a substantial expense and if one parent is left holding that while the other one's not i can imagine the frustration when this just could have been sorted out in the divorce court so that's what i'm kind of reading from this because you know that the girls are going to be college age you probably know that that's a direction they want to go in so why not just include it in here and if this is true because all complaints are allegations if this is true i don't understand why an attorney would say it just doesn't need to be in there it's all fine um in a divorce assume that nothing's all fine and everything needs to be in writing not the advice of a divorce attorney because i'm not a divorce attorney just common sense in a divorce you need the things to be in writing item number two defendants erroneously incl i love the use of erroneously we're not going to false but we are going to false defendants erroneously included a usc endowment jointly made by plaintiff and her former spouse as an expense of plaintiff exposing plaintiff to liability and further caused plaintiff to relinquish control of said endowment fund to her former spouse so they made some kind of an endowment to usc and the attorneys are arguing that that was miscategorized which exposed or could have exposed shannon to liability and then she relinquished the entire endowment fund to her ex it sounds like that was a matter of contention uh usc folks are very very into their donations and endowments to the school so i imagine that caused quite a lot of contention because there is a lot of pride for most trojans we won't know we're a ucla family over here um number three defendants failed to negotiate and include a filming release from plaintiff's former spouse for plaintiff's children so that her children could continue to appear in their roles on bravo television's real housewives of orange county said failure resulted in significant damage and expense to plaintiff to enable her children to participate in filming how i read this is that they had to then negotiate a filming release because we did see her daughters on the last season of real housewives of orange county so this was filed in um 2020 so this filming release would have had to be would have had to have been negotiated before they appeared on this just past season of real housewives of orange county that covered the uh beginning of covid so that was covering march uh beginning of march through through the end of the summer in 2020 so we watched in that season of real housewives of orange county they started filming pre-covet shut down covet in the middle and and all of them dealt with the different fallouts from going into a shutdown going into distance learning and dealing with not only having coveted but the repercussions of covid so it's interesting to me that they said substantial or significant uh damage and expense i imagine that shannon had to pay lawyers to go back to the drawing board to negotiate with david to get those filming releases signed for the season that just passed that had been filmed in march um in march of 2020 because this was filed after so obviously the damage has been done the lawyers have been paid but that's shannon's income i don't think that's her sole income but that's one of her income sources and we know that not being able to film with your kids can be problematic especially if you've filmed with your kids in the past so i don't that would have been something that should have absolutely been negotiated considering what a big role housewives has in shannon's life it appears and in her income and the fact that her daughters had always been on housewives there would be a consideration that that should continue item number four is defendants retained a second unnecessary forensic accountant just before trial in the matter and without informing plaintiff at any time prior there too incurred an approximately 85 000 bill for which recovery is now sought against plaintiff by the forensic firm so when you hire lawyers generally you are paying your lawyer either a retainer or a contingency and you are paying for expenses so you're paying for the experts you're paying for the the forensic accountant you're paying for that to be done so to hire a second accountant and incur an 85 000 cost if plaintiff did not agree i can understand why they're complaining about it though again if the law firm comes back and it's like no this is where we emailed you and this is where you agreed that might be a little harder uh to fight on but again this is the new attorneys looking back at what the other attorneys did going no we what what we're not going to do is hire a second forensic accountant item number five defendants repeatedly but negligently assured plaintiff that she was entitled to a continuation of her lifestyle on conclusion of the 10-year marriage so this the way this is worded sounds to me like they're saying the lawyers were promising her it's going to be fine you're not going to have to change your lifestyle you've been married for 10 years you're entitled to this you know about and we did see in the press that shannon was seeking over 20 000 a month ended up settling for half of that so again money being relative to most of us were like um okay cool but also in a divorce proceeding it's relative to what you own what they own how much your lifestyle was costing and and making accommodations for that in some kind of a divorce settlement even if it seems like a whole lot of money to us it it's all relative in divorce proceedings so again lawyers can say this is what we're trying for this is what we're hoping for it's really hard to promise someone an outcome particularly in divorce because you're dealing with often parties that are locked horns and are contentious with one another item number six alleges that defendants mishandled the financial analysis of plaintiff's former spouse's business despite knowing how the business carried forward losses and deferred income resulting in a lower value assessment of the businesses worth so this again it sounds like the business from david was something that was built during marriage which means that shannon would have been entitled to half of it they were married over 10 years so in california that can be your kind of your lifetime spousal support this is an item of community property that shannon's attorneys are now alleging was misvalued which resulted in her getting a lesser amount from it or not having that negotiating leverage that she would have otherwise had with regard to david's business and again carrying forward losses and deferring income generally has to do with your taxes but that should be offset when you're looking at the valuation and that's what they're arguing here item number seven defendants failed to adequately argue and present evidence that plaintiff's income was less than her former spouse's income so they're arguing that they didn't do enough to show that shannon wasn't ballin like hey no in the divorce you needed to show that i'm not making all this money the thing is i believe shannon launched her food line while this was going on had the income from real housewives so now she has an income too and that income is going to offset what she's entitled to in spousal support and it sounds like that maybe her income was showing as more than david's income the thing is with all of this when you're looking back you have to look at what the actual income is versus what they are reporting on taxes and the way they're moving money around to potentially lower tax burden again next level rich people that is something that you strategize in your taxes with a tax professional when you know more money more problems happens to you because more money more problems is literally the truth biggie said it best and um and no one believes it and we see it with influencers all the time they make more money they don't change the way that they're dealing with things and then they end up with you know more problems item number eight defendants were uncommunicative with plaintiff throughout the course of the representation and failed to return calls and respond to inquiry by plaintiff and then they say in paran at one point plaintiff was forced to contact defendant phillips's wife to try to get a response this is one of those items that is you know lawyers have obligations to keep their clients in the loop absolutely but it's also one of the things where there's a lot of room for difference of opinion what does non-communicative mean does it mean he was giving her updates every week or so and that she wanted to be in communication daily which generally isn't practical does it mean that months would go by and she's like i have no idea what's happening so that's of all of the items the uncommunicative goes in to show a bigger picture we'll see that's not really the heart of the thing it goes to show the frustration of the thing and they're trying to also show that this attorney was not doing their job for shannon but sometimes things go months and nothing's happening so it's like hey we'll check back when something happens and then nothing's happened but they did say not returning calls and this is a complaint you will see a lot when attorneys get reported to the state bar is the lack of communication look communication is key with anything with any business with any relationship open communication is the key to most things it's why we talk about facts not it's why we talk about critical thinking it's why we talk about being able to communicate even when we disagree on how things are how things should be what we'd like to see it's why we run court of public opinion on fridays so we can have conversations about things where we don't all see eye to eye and communicate effectively because it is one of the biggest issues breakdown of communication leads to a whole lot of problems item number nine in the 11th hour defendants convinced plaintiff to take a lower dollar divorce settlement right before trial as defendants were not prepared to litigate the matter so they're alleging essentially that shannon felt um pushed into a lower dollar settlement in i read this hearing shannon believing that they were like we should just settle we should just settle take this if you go to trial it's going to be this you should settle you should settle and now they believe that that was because the attorneys were not prepared so they were forcing her to settle when maybe it wasn't in her best interest that's how this reads it'll be interesting to see how the lawyers break that down but again this is going to go into binding arbitration and the arbiter is going to be able to go back and forth between the parties and say well they're saying this and you're saying this and try to resolve some of these issues things like this 85 000 bill things like the amount of time and money she spent to get that filming release dealing with or going back to deal with the college um or at least pay for attorneys to go back and deal with the uh ongoing college expenses to deal with the loss of the endowment and things like that so when it comes to this cause of action and the divorce proceeding itself i don't know if we'll see a resolution because it's going to go into arbitration so i am going to keep tracking it but what i expect will happen is at some point there will be a notice into the court saying that the matter has resolved and that it's being dismissed with prejudice i don't know if we'll ever find out the nuts and bolts of how it dissolved or how it resolved and i'm interested maybe it'll be talked about in the press maybe she'll share that maybe that will play out a little bit if she's going to arbitration over this while they're filming i guess we'll see but there are some basic things here that i can understand the frustration i don't think this is um just shannon trying to go back and get more money or go back and get a second fight at the apple with her divorce and i say that because the college expenses are a big thing to me and the filming release is a big thing to me and then an expert that she didn't approve like those are the three things to me that stand out with like these things should have been taken care of and again this could be perception shannon could have been told hey we're doing this we're hiring this forensic account and she's like yeah yeah yeah and didn't actually process the information so we'll see the attorneys i'm sure will bring all of their emails all of their case notes that they have shannon will bring all that she has and it's interesting to me that the attorney that she is dealing with in this matter is the same attorney that she dealt with on the jim bellino defamation lawsuit are you ready to get in to some defamation are you ready for some defamation my throat is dry dry today it's just it is just dry so let me pull up the defamation suit and then we'll time stamp that and get right into it i'm gonna go through the complaint first and then i'm going to kind of summarize how we got to here i'm not getting into tamara's side of this suit we're just talking about shannon today if you are interested in tamara judge's side of this uh defamation suit go ahead and put it in the comments below or in the chat and i will cover that on another day because with regard to tamara judd judge judge the trial is set for november 8th 2021 so she is at this point going to trial against jim bolino so let me just time stamp it and get back into it i'm going to repeat myself for a minute all right let me pull this up where is it of course it's not easy to find of course it's not easy to find why would it be easy to find why would it be easy to find the reason i wanted to cover this suit um is because it involves not only because it involves defamation and and lord knows we've talked a lot about defamation on this channel but it also involves uh a successful anti-slap motion and that is how shannon ultimately ended up not being in this case she was dismissed from this case because of the her successful anti-slap motion and she won attorney's fees on it so it's a it's housewives t but b it does talk about this um this repercussion in a lot of states not all states but a lot of states if you just want to go ahead and sue somebody over stuff that you can't prove they can win it on a um on an anti-slap motion so i'm gonna do the background i'm gonna talk about slap suits a little bit and then we'll go from there all right we're getting into it we're getting into it also can we talk about just real quick how cute the new like watercolor pride mugs are or cups are from starbucks i love them i might have some extras to be doing a giveaway i might be doing a giveaway there might be a giveaway soon just y'all here heard it here first we're just keeping it between friends you know what to look out for now all right let's jump into the second part of what's going on with shannon bador now back in 2018 shannon bedour tamara judge were both sued by jim bolino and jump management company now you might recall that jim bolito was a housewives husband uh his wife why am i blanking on her name right now because i can only think of jesus jugs when i think of his wife i think it was tamara that called her jesus just alexis it was alexis um bellino they owned like a trampoline park together he was not a favorite of mine on the show by any means but tamara and shannon are alleged to have defamed him in a podcast interview with heather mcdonald of the juicy scoop what i didn't realize until digging into this today is that she was sued in a separate defamation lawsuit about this so if we need to get into that one too let me know there are the like you get a defamation lawsuit you get a defamation lawsuit defamation lawsuits for everybody we're gonna get into what the allegations are in this suit with regard to shannon bador and then into why she is no longer in this lawsuit because she won her slap while anti-slap motion and we'll talk about what that means after we talk about the t that's in this complaint james bolino and his company sued for defamation per se defamation trade libel false light intentional interference with perspective economic advantage and negligent interference with prospective economic advantage these are things that we've talked about a lot they are things that came up in the tati westbrook lawsuit as well and we're going to jump right into it you all know what defamation per se is but the best part is going to be the introduction and the facts let's see this first line isn't coming out nearly as hot as some of the lawsuits we've covered lately but we'll get into it anyway introduction this case arises out of defamatory highly intrusive and harmful statements made about the plaintiffs by defendants judge and badur in the course of media interviews those interviews given by miss judge and miss bedour as part of a desperate campaign to extend their 15 minutes of fame were replete with malicious lies and outrageous and highly offensive comments about the strictly personal affairs of plaintiff's james plaintiff james bolino his family and business now it gets saucier going into the middle part of that sentence for sure um there's definitely these are complaints they're written from the perspective of the person suing and the person suing is gonna say in their complaint you suck the most and here's why you suck the most and you are the worst and essentially we hate you like that's how complaints are written to be very one-sided they are written to advocate for the side that's suing uh we just love getting all of the facts and and kind of the t that's put into these complaints because complaints are covered by litigation privilege and you can say in them yes you should have to back them up yes you should have to prove them in court however anyone can sue anyone for anything we're seeing that in the trailer lawsuit paragraph two in june of 2018 a wide audience was gathered to watch judge and bador swill champagne swill and champagne and quote dish it then says i.e ostensibly gossip about participants in the reality television show real housewives of orange county one suit however was not mere gossip but a vicious and unprovoked attack on the reputation and privacy of mr bolino who again appeared on the show quite substantially he is in my mind a public figure it goes on to say among other demonstrable lies miss judge and miss badour stated that bellino quote is going to jail end quote that his divorce was quote fake and that his trampoli trampoline business is now closed because quote people get paralyzed there so when you're talking about a business when you're talking about a business let's keep going shortly after they were warned to cease and desist from making further such statements judge and bador began quote spinning a defense to the media alleging that they were merely repeating rumors paren which is untrue and no defense in any event and that they were merely poking fun at certain individuals during their interviews paragraph four plaintiffs are not amused clearly clearly not but also you can't say that people are getting paralyzed at somebody's trampoline park unless that's true like that that would be the context is going to be key on these statements and it sounds like this is all recorded so you should be able to watch these statements and gather the context paragraph four plaintiffs are not amused by and through this action they seek compensation for the existing and continuing damages resulting from defendants defamatory and outrageous statements in an amount to be proven at trial but believed to be well in excess of one million dollars plaintiffs will seek an award of substantial punitive damages to make an example out of judge and badour and to deter them from similarly offensive fraudulent and malicious conduct in the future at least they're honest af with it like we want punitive damages remember punitive damages are the punishment ones like you suck and so we're gonna we're going to punish you monetarily in an amount that is going to make you quake so that you will think twice about how much it's going to hurt to do this again we are going to punish you by taking your money that is essentially the purpose of punitive damages i like that they just put out there we're gonna make an example out of you we're gonna though the uh the song for mulan uh we're gonna make a man out of you is now running through my head and i'm trying not to burst into song because the you know anyway you're with me if you've seen mulan nearly as much as i have with you know what i'm talking about so i'm very interested to see how they break down who said what because remember tamar is still in the suit shannon is not parties james bellino's an individual who at relevant times resided in orange county yeah we believe everyone's in orange county tamara judge resides in orange county shannon bedour resides in orange county look jurisdiction's really easy on this one it's filed in court in orange county they live in orange county they're on real housewives of orange county jurisdiction is not a thing everyone's in the same place we're not even going to discuss her jurisdiction we don't know her everyone lives in the same place factual allegations hey triller this part of the lawsuit is really helpful buddy this part the factual allegations part there's like dates and who said what and where they were when they said it this part makes everything make more sense otherwise it's very confusing factual allegations paragraph 12 defendant judge and door are participants in the american rep in an american reality television series called the real housewives of orange county um which from now on is going to be called oc actually you should look lawyers it's rhoc like just abbreviate the show the way that the fans abbreviate it and just just keep it clean just rhoc you don't you don't have to abbreviate just orange county just abbreviate the whole thing rhoc we all know what you're talking about we all watch the show let's not pretend we don't judge has been a cast member on the show since the third season which premiered in 2007 but door has been a cast member on the show since its ninth season in 2014.

[00:47:43]alexis bellino was a cast member of rhoc from its fourth season through its eighth season which ran from 2008 to 2013. i forgot that um bellino and and um badour did not overlap in their time alexis was the wife of plaintiff james bolino throughout the time she was a cast member on rhoc but bellino was never a cast member for obvious reasons the cast members were all quote housewives look man he was up he was on the show he was filmed quite substantially on the show no he's not holding a holding an orange no he is not a a quote cast member but he is part of filming for sure but i digress paragraph 14 alexis and bellino have been divorced and achieved an amicable resolution of their divorce proceedings for the benefit of themselves and their three minor children unfortunately in the course of those proceedings judgment bador took to the stage in a live setting to shamelessly quote dish and peddle what they claimed to be gossip and rumors but were in fact lies well if they didn't state it as fact it might not be true but if it's not stated as fact it might also not be defamatory but we're going to continue 15 on or about june 26 2018 judge madore sat down for a live interview with a woman named heather mcdonald who is the host of a podcast called the quote juicy scoop with heather mcdonald the interview was held at the irvine improv comedy club in irvine california and plaintiffs are informed and believed that as many as 100 people were gathered to listen to the interview well i imagine it was also recorded and then and then released as an actual podcast oh do you think it's still up that would be fascinating i imagine it's been taken down during the course of this litigation judgement door sat on stage with a magnum of champagne [Laughter] sat in front of them for the duration of the interview look what happens on housewives that does not involve a just a ton of alcohol like most of the things that happen on housewives involves quite a substantial amount of how of alcohol as they swilled champagne i love that they use the word swelled instead of sipped like sipping champagne sings dignified right sipping champagne and chatting with the ladies is like ooh we're ladies and lunch but like swilling champagne and spreading malicious gossip paints an entirely different picture of the thing doesn't it they're definitely coming in with the uh with the language in this lawsuit and i i for one appreciate a sassy lawsuit you know don't we all as they swilled champagne judgment badour discussed and took questions from miss mcdonald and the audience about former and current participants of real housewives of oc when the subject turned to bellino and alexis the interview took a vicious turn look nothing is more vicious than like slade smiley pretending to do stand-up and just ripping on vicki's looks in a shameless way comparing her to miss piggy like nothing i think can be more vicious than that it was appalling to watch but anyway i digress paragraph 17 in a cr in crude and unseemly fashion judge who is a mother why why so because she's a mother she can't say shady like seriously because because she's a mom she's never gonna say have they not watched the show she's a mother she's a mother yeah guess what mother sometimes drinks champagne and say shady it happens it happens [Music] they are doing look they in this lawsuit are doing a a fantastic job of trying to paint a picture of who these defendants are i think it's hilarious but it is what it is in a lawsuit this is what you expect from a complaint is to paint a picture of the other side the other side sucks the most they're terrible we hate them your honor we hate them see um and they're taking every opportunity to do it it's funny all right back to paragraph 17 in crude and unseemly fashion judge who is a mother stated that bellino is a quote shady that sounds like something tamara would say she went on to question quote why is he wanting spousal support oh see this is the problem the housewives know all the tea on the other housewives that's going on in season off season behind the scenes i imagine that when you're on one of these shows this is emily's speculation that people are coming out of the woodworks into your dms being like did you hear this did you know this and want to spill the tea on other people uh to the nth degree it's like let me tell you about what they're doing let me tell you what they're doing people love to be in on the cheese ma people love it people love the gossip people love to be in on the gossip and i'm sure that people are telling all of the cast members all of the secrets about everybody else like they're just getting told on all the time whether it's true or not true is uh is something you need to be careful of if you're the one speaking so she went on to question quote why is he wanting spousal support end quote and stated quote i have a theory everything's in her name quote judge falsely stated that the bellino's marriage was quote fake or a sham and with respect to bellino falsely stated he's going to jail end quote uh okay let's continue bador heaped insult on to the injury caused by judge further stating i heard they don't um and then in paren have the trampoline business anymore and quote because they were sued she continued i won't let my kids go because people get paralyzed apparently that happened but dorr was referring to a trampoline park in orange county known as skyzone unimagined by j.m co now skyzone is a franchise business um i don't know if she's talking about his business or if she's talking about tramping trampoline parks in general or shannon's general fear that like bad shit's gonna happen all the time but i heard they don't have the business anymore because they were sued i mean if they don't have the business anymore and if they were sued i don't know how that's defamatory but that's probably why her slap motion was granted so anyway we're gonna continue paragraph 19 bolino discovered the interview after the fact and attempted to mitigate the damage done we talked about this right we talked about mitigation of damages in the trailer suit mitigate the damages go ahead and issue the copyright strikes on the channels that still have the fight up they're spelling out here look we've tried we didn't want to have to sue you we've tried to fix it ourselves and we can't because these women are are just unreal unreasonable and they're not doing anything with me they won't work with me that's where this is going i suspect so balina continuing on in chapter 19 there was an attempt to mitigate the damage done and damage to be done by the foregoing malicious defamatory and highly intrusive statements through his attorney bellino senesis and desist letter demanding judge and bador stop lying publish full retractions of their false statements and issue a public apology rather than retract and apologize for their lies however judge and badour doubled down on them they brazenly stated to the media that they were definitely not going to apologize and claimed apparently coached by attorneys that they were repeating i don't know where this apparently coached by attorneys is coming in um which is fascinating but they claimed apparently coached by attorneys that they were repeating public allegations which is false um and not a defense in any event that is an awkward sentence but i think what they're trying to say is that they went public and were saying hey we're just saying what we heard like i'm just saying what i heard very uh very teresa judith that's just what i heard i just heard your husband was stepping out at the gym that's just it's just it's just what we heard it's just what we heard thus judd and bidor were given at the opportunity to resolve the dispute in a reasonable fashion but ostensibly and to their own detriment refused to do so on or about july 16 2018 season 13 of rhoc premiered on bravo with judge and fedor returning as participants after the show aired an after show thank you for describing watch what happens live to us called no for the court assuming that the court doesn't watch watch what happens live it's fair and after show called watch what happened live with andy cohen aired on the same network when the topic of the bellino's divorce and judge and bedour's appearances on the juicy scoop with heather mcdonnell arose judgement door appeared visibly nervous and defensive they claimed to be just poking fun at their tar at their target individuals during the interview in any event plaintiffs are not amused twice twice they've said not amused plaintiffs are not amused by judges and bedouins malicious and outrageous lies and have taken this action to rehabilitate their image reclaim privacy and recover compensation for the substantial harm and damage inflicted on on bolino and his family and his company jmco so defamation per se they're incorporating everything above they're saying that the definition per se here is he is going to jail they are likening this to um accusing someone of being a criminal which is generally the type of things that are so damaging to a reputation they fall under defamation per se defamation per se is a separate part of defamation where you don't have to prove um certain aspects of the defamation you don't have to prove all of the the parts that can make defamation difficult to prove including um actual damage and so without having to prove actual damage it's assumed that the thing said saying someone's a criminal or a career criminal um accusing someone of i don't know being a predator and things like that would fall under this defamation per se the words alone are assumed to be so harmful you don't have to prove separate damage to it because again defamation at its core is about reputation um bad reputation bad reputation okay that's gonna happen every time we say reputation now so they're arguing that this he is going to jail is is in that same realm of essentially accusing someone of being a criminal because why else would somebody be going to jail if not for criminal conduct now the context of the interview is going to be very much important here because again defamation bumps up against first amendment speech and and there is this push-pull balance of what is speech and expression and what is actually damaging speech and what can be um a harmful and actionable speech and in the context of comedy those lines absolutely get blurred so is it going to be part of their defense that look we were at the improv we were just making jokes clearly what we were saying was not meant to be taken seriously clearly we were not to be believed that these were facts we were drinking and gossiping and saying things that we thought were funny and this is how you know it's funny based on the context of being at the comedy club based on the way that the things were set up you know how did this play and so the context of this will be very important the statement itself he is going to jail is not quite he's a criminal but it implies it so that's going to be very interesting to see second cause of action defamation against both again it's uh the first cause of action is just against tamra it's not against tamra and shannon the second cause of action for defamation is against both um judge ambadour it re-alleges what's above and then it goes on to talk about judge's statements that the divorce was fake that everything was in the wife's name i don't know how i feel about the divorce is fake and everything's in his wife's name i don't it i don't know how you prove damages on that um i just don't so that for me i'm not sure how we prove damages on that on june 26 2018 badour made numerous state statements to numerous persons that uh bolino didn't have the trampoline business anymore because quote people get paralyzed at that business now it seems that that's not what she said based on this own declaration so you can see how the legal writing kind of shifts it where they've now connected these two thoughts but when they talk about what she said up above they said i heard they don't have the trampoline business anymore because they were sued now she then said i won't let my kids go because people get paralyzed apparently that happened they're connecting those two statements but out of context we don't know if those two statements are connected or if it's shannon being like i don't let my kids trampoline ever i mean people get paralyzed on trampolines we're never doing that like trampolines are horrible so they've connected it to say she's saying they don't have the trampoline park because they got sued and they got sued because somebody got paralyzed judge made the forgoing statements knowing they were falls with reckless disregard but door made them knowing they were false with reckless disregard the damage is believed to be in excess of a million the conduct is despicable on and on trade libel this is against badour saying that um she heard they didn't have the business anymore because they were sued i won't let my kids go because people get paralyzed apparently that happened trade libel is defamation against a business so this is the plane of the business against defendant bador the same allegations false light is against both defendants by both plaintiffs saying that they are um publicizing information that is private and it's it's publicizing information to cast you in literally a like false light or a bad light to make it seem that you're something that you're not to uh besmirch your character essentially and i mean that's basically twitter [Laughter] falsely false light lawsuits um false light lawsuits like and twitter we can just pull up examples of false light lawsuits on twitter this is um a slightly different take on defamation but it still goes to trying to cast you in a bad light and trying to really besmirch your characters the basis here fifth cause of action intentional and interference with prospective economic advantage in different states this has caused different things um some states have like a tortious interference with business relationships this is similar to that in that it's interfering with future business so saying you making these statements about me and about my trampoline park means people aren't going to want to come so you are inserting yourself in a business relationship um we see this play out sometimes on youtube too where people are like oh you shouldn't be watching this creator oh this person's you know lists off names and allegations this can become intentional interference with prospective economic advantage uh in that context as well so they're saying that this is against defendant bador because she was talking about the trampoline park being sued this is plaintiff the trampoline park and that she made those statements about they don't have the park anymore because they got sued however if they didn't have the trampoline park anymore at the time that those statements were made i don't know how there can be any damage to prospective economic advantage if the trampoline park was already closed which is unclear at this point but we're going to get into it a little bit more sixth cause of action is negligent interference with prospective economic advantage meaning again it's not intentional but it's negligent like you should have known better this we see this a lot with like intentional infliction of emotional distress negligent infliction with the emotional distress um they just are different standards showing that you didn't act in the negligent category with reasonable necessary care prayer for relief uh damages to be proven at trial punitive damages remember to punish injunctive inequitable relief stop right there from doing the and for any other thing that the court deems just that is the complaint i'm gonna pull up real quick what the um what the court said in the slap slap dismissal and then i can pull up the slap suit real quick um [Music] so that you guys can see that and then we will move on to questions where is the minute order not that one i had things pulled up so january 8 2019 oh i'm going to do this and then i'm going to talk about what a slap suit is and what an anti-slap is order granting defendant shannon badour's notice of motion and special motion to strike plaintiff's complaint pursuant to the california anti-slap statute code of civil procedure 425-16 order the court heard argument on defendant shannon bedour's special motion to strike plaintiff jim's james bolino and jump management company's complaint pursuant to the anti-slap statute after considering all papers and evidence filed in support of and in opposition to bador's motion and all papers and records on file in this action and after hearing arguments of counsel so the court's letting you know all of the work that went into this the court finds that the anti-slap statute applies to ms bedor's statements and that they are subject um and that they words are hard that the anti-slap statute applies to ms bider's statements that are the subject matter of this litigation and the court further finds that plaintiffs have not established a probability of prevailing against miss bador on their second cause of action for defamation third cause of action for trade libel fourth cause of action for false light fifth cause of action for intentional interference with prospective economic advantage and sixth cause of action negligent inference interference with prospective economic advantage it is so ordered therefore that miss bedour's special motion to strike is granted place a plaintiff's complaint is stricken in its entirety against fedor the clark shot on her judgment for bedour and then she was also awarded over a hundred thousand dollars in her legal fees so while this is a win for her this was still a costly and year-long legal battle that she had to deal with to get to the point where it was dismissed a slap lawsuit or a lawsuit that's called a slap lawsuit i should just we're going to talk about slap lawsuits real quick a slap lawsuit slap stands for strategic litigation against public participation this is generally considered to be a lawsuit that is filed for the purposes of shutting someone up it is not filed for the purpose of recovering damage it's filed where you know you're not going to win on this suit for whatever reason you can't win on these actions but you're doing it to to abuse the process of litigation to strike out against me so the slap suit is what's filed it's then brought by the defendant who's being sued the anti-slap statute the anti-slap motion saying no this is a strategic litigation what we're not going to do is go forward with this and then not all states have anti-slap laws but the states that do have anti-slap laws you bring an anti-slap motion and it fast forwards litigation to the plaintiff then having to prove that there is a reasonable likelihood that they're going to prevail on the merits showing that they can win on this case if it were to go forward so if you bring an anti-slap motion and lose it puts you in a very bad position because you now have been told by the court you're likely going to lose and it makes it harder to then settle the case because the other side is now walking away with a pretty big win but if you win your anti-slap motion the case is dismissed with prejudice it's over and done before you go through protracted litigation before you go through protracted discovery before anything else when the anti-slop motion is filed the case stops right there and then they go through the slap procedure and the anti with the anti-slap motion and determine whether the case can move forward and in most states if you win your anti-slap suit you get attorney's fees we talked about this with the keemstar daniel lacoste lawsuit there were jurisdiction issues there on that lawsuit and when we broke down that suit daniel lacoste filed a defamation suit against a youtuber uh keemstar who runs the drama alert channel then instead of fighting and pissing around with the jurisdiction stuff his attorneys filed an anti-slap motion and won the case and got legal fees and that was done and dusted pretty quickly because the purpose of the anti-slap litigation is to not drain a defendant of resources while they are years in litigation trying to fight through the court process to prove that this lawsuit was it allows them a fast track to proving that a lawsuit was saying hey um they have to show that they're going to prevail and i don't think that they can prevail on the merits and then you go through the litigation of the slap suit first and it gets dismissed without prejudice so that is a quick take on what a slap suit is and how it works with an anti-slap lawsuit or an anti-slap motion shannon bedour in this case through her counsel filed a very extensive anti-slap motion also um in that anti-slap motion they um they went through hearings and it sounds like oral argument to the court so the attorneys showed up in court and argued i'm gonna share with you shannon's um declaration in this suit to see what she had to say about it this is her declaration and support of the anti-slap motion um i joined the cast of the american tv show real housewives of orange county in 2014 before the show's ninth season i've been on the show for five seasons my character i love that she talks about herself as a character on the show because we really do right narrow down um the housewives into the little box that they fit in right i want to hear all of them talk about their characters like sonia morgan what's your care tell me how you see yourself my character is known to be honest and someone who freely speaks her mind while i speak my mind i am also known to be one of the most respectful housewives i think most would agree that i'm well liked among our fans most would agree that i have a good reputation alexis and jimbolina were on real housewives of orange county um before i joined in 2014 i believe alexis and jim were on the show from 2009 to i was not a housewife cast member during the time the bellino's were on the show i watched the show during that period alexis and jim were married the entire time that alexis was a housewife jim frequently appeared on the show and was an important part of her storyline i concur i agree with that on june 26 2018 i appeared on heather mcdonald's podcast juicy scoop with heather mcdonald along with tamara judge another housewife on the show the podcast taped in front of a live audience of more than 100 people heather mcdonald is a well-known comedian who appeared on showtime specials with the chelsea lately show her show is notoriously funny and at times a bit racy however fans love it and laugh hysterically at her funny and outrageous content which was no different for this particular podcast this is um painting the scene that this is comedy that she is a comedian she has had comedy appearances that it's supposed to be outrageous it's supposed to be funny but it's not supposed to be like oh take everything away as the you know hand to bible truth this is actually a comedy routine and the fact that it was at the improv i think will help them take that tack with it the audience came to hear judge and me talk about our lives the real housewives and our opinions about other housewives including those we have met from other shows during the show mcdonald asked me personal questions about dating my sex life after my past marriage which made me uncomfortable but i played along okay i now i really want to hear this podcast she asked me if men sent me nude photos of themselves and the audience roared with laughter i just wanna i need to find this interview if it still exists i'm sure it's down at this point but heather may i can just imagine this going down with like so shannon are you getting dick pics like are people sliding that eggplant into the dms is that like is that what's happening a side note nobody wants a dick pic if they want one they'll ask you for one but just don't don't slide into people's dms with that we don't want them um but i love i i have questions about that too now i want to know the answer the conversation also touched on alexis and bellino who had been making headlines with their recent divorce mcdonald asked whether the bellino still owned trampoline parks someone had recently told me that the bellino's did not have their trampoline parks anymore and the reason may have been a lawsuit filed by someone who was injured at the park i believe i said something like i heard they do not have them anymore because they were sued i made that statement based on what i heard and believed about the situation at the time to this day i have no reason to believe it's not true so she's going with truth at some point after that as discussion of trampoline parks continued i said something like i won't let my kids go because people get paralyzed apparently that happens my intended making that statement was referred to trampoline parks generally and that's what i was wondering when we read the complaint were they taking two separate parts of the conversation and complicating them to make it seem as if the two are related or is this shannon being shannon going i don't like it like i don't like it i can't clean it i can't sanitize it i don't want my kids on trampolines um which is not an unusual feeling there are lots of parents who do not want their children near trampolines i like many others think the trampoline parks are dangerous and i am aware of news reports of people breaking their necks and becoming paralyzed at trampoline parks i've never allowed my children to go to trampoline parks because i know a local children in my community that have sustained severe head trauma or broken necks after visiting them i mean it sounds like orange county is not doing well with trampolines at this point my children know not to even ask me to go to one that's the most shannon sounding shannon statement ever the complaint alleges that after i said i won't let my kids go because people get paralyzed i said apparently that happened allegedly referring to the bellino's trampoline park this is not true what i actually said was apparently that happens which again apparently that happened and apparently that happens it's literally the difference of a letter happened versus happens and that can change this lawsuit the difference of apparently that happened saying he was sued because somebody was injured or apparently that happens talking about trampolining parks in general i've heard stories i don't let my kids go it is a one letter very big distinction in what is or was a million dollar lawsuit which is why words matter um so as we get into the fact that a letter can make a difference in a lawsuit um she was saying meaning apparently people get seriously injured including paralyzed at trampoline parks i was not referring to the bellino's but the occurrence of serious injuries including broken accident paralysis at trampoline parks generally which i have read about i was speaking my own truthful view about the danger of trampoline parks generally and my personal rules for my children after the podcast i was surprised that bolino sent me a cease and desist letter demanding i retract statements i made and publicly apologize i declined to do so because i did not perceive that i did anything wrong i later learned that the internet tabloid tmz reported on the cease and desist letter before i even received it right because tmz gets the t because lawyers send it to them because why wouldn't you why wouldn't you the statement i made the statements i made were truthful and i did not and never would make a false statement about jimbolino plaintiff's allegations and the complaint that i spoke about the bolinos or the conversation with heather mcdonald on any talk show after that as nonsense the only press i've done since the mcdonald podcast on july 12th and july 16th for the premiere of the new season all of my press interviews are carefully monitored by the pr department for bravo um we know it's the network for the housewives after i refuse to publicly retract the statements and apologize to belino i was served with the complaint so that was her statement about the defamation lawsuit and we know that the court took their um their anti-slap motion and said yeah the plaintiffs have not proved that they can actually survive this case now tamar judge also filed an anti-slap motion and her case was not dismissed so if we need to jump into that on a separate episode a separate day let me know and we'll jump into this defamation lawsuit more as it applies to the statements made by tamara judge but since the stuff against um since the stuff against shannon madore is dismissed let's talk about what remains as to tamara judge as to tamara there is the uh defamation per se with regard to the he's going to jail comment and then there is the defamation with regard to their divorce being fake unless that was thrown out because a judge can say this k this count stays in this count goes and then that was the only stuff those two causes of action were the only two as to tamara judge the rest were with regard to shannon fedor so let me know if we went a deep dive on tamara judge and it is time to get into questions lots of questions i'm sure you have questions look thoughts at the end of the day what questions are coming in lawsuits are expensive and she was awarded over a hundred thousand dollars in attorney's fees but would have been paying that attorney for the year until that ruling and then not only do you pay then you have to track down your your winnings we saw it with keemstar and i know look this is not co-signing the things keem does or says this is talking about his lawsuit with regard to his lawsuit he took less than attorney fees and took romeo lacoste's play button because he's petty like that now tracking down attorney's fees can be a whole separate thing that you now have to pay your lawyer to go track down attorneys fees to claw back what you've already spent this is not a easy thing to do this is time consuming this is stressful this is a whole lot so i don't suggest getting into a defamation lawsuit um but what we're seeing here is that even action after the cease and desist was served came up in this right after the cease and desist was served we still see oh well they went on this show and they went on this show again this is what it is um when you talk about lawsuits afterwards what you say is going to come up is going to come up off off question hayley mcginnis hey haley can we stop one second and hype you being on the phil defranco show and h3 and getting almost 25 uh thousand subs in 10 days we can um also i was mentioned on the simply pod logical podcast and i've been fan girl dying for like a week and a half over the creators who are like oh no i like emily's coverage i on youtube you never know who's watching and it always blows my mind when people are like no your coverage was really helpful i'm like oh i started this channel to be a resource for um for other other creators but for all of us as well just to understand the ins and outs of what's going on and the ins and outs of what this stuff is and i i really hope to be a resource the fact that other creators have found it to be a helpful resource has blown me away so thank you yeah we're at 124 000 and when i looked it i've just been blown away by by the love and support so you guys if you are watching and you haven't done the youtubey things yet go do the youtubey things i'll tell you how many subscribers we've gained in may um on my analytics because it's blown my mind what we've done this month so in may um we have gained over 25.6 000 subscribers this month and that's i mean it's the it's the 19th of may it blows my mind so thank you for all of the support and thank you to all of the other creators who find this helpful it it means the world to me that that the resource that i put out there is actually um is actually a resource that's helpful so yeah uh ashley trott oh jesus this oh god oh god um i commented on twitter i don't want to repeat the statements because they're so awful i can't imagine what happened that those statements were made um so this is regarding the capital insurrection one of the defense attorneys made some highly disparaging and i think hateful remarks about the mental competency of not only his defendant but of others if you guys watch natalie lawyer chick who i've had on the channel who i think is tremendous you will see her talk about defense attorneys and she is a defense attorney defense attorneys not throwing their clients under the bus this i have so many problems with it i hate the words that were used i hate the disparaging of perceived mental illness i hate throwing a defendant under the bus and being like look there this i hated everything about it i hate it i hate it i hate all of it and i imagine people will probably make complaints about it and defendants no matter what a defendant has done they have the right to counsel and they have the right to a defense even when we think they are the worst even when we're like how are you doing this i hate what you've done i might even hate you defendant i might believe that i hate you as a person generally we hate their actions but there are some defendants we're like yep hate all of you hate everything about you still deserves to have an attorney in their corner fighting for their constitutional rights and i don't know how you feel confident in that attorney when they are disparaging you to the media he actually said the word short bus among other things there's also issues of pre-trial statements are are you trying to now in some backwards way garner sympathy for your defendant it was awful it's awful i'm very interested to see what falls out from it and i don't normally cover a lot um of stuff that has a particularly political lien but i am going to keep my eye on the fallout from what that attorney said because that i am very interested in so i am yes thank you the mods are reminding me to please please please please please read the question out loud before answering it i am going to try to remember um i do get uh i do get i do get pulled i do get pulled um so let me go back through here and try to catch up almost a shirley said juicy scoop bolino also suit heather mcdonald she was devastated she fought and won it has uh changed all podcasters laws i'll have to take a look because i imagine if she won she probably won on the same anti-slap motion that um shannon shannon won on and these are things that are stuff that needs to be continually evaluated so that's what's going on with here um joe jersey said how did tamara not get hers tossed we need to know okay we will do a deep dive into tamara on a different day for sure so deep dive on tamara seems to be the way um i'm gonna try to catch up with questions thank you guys for putting question before it holly hollyman's i hope i pronounced that right asked is the difference between anti-slap motions and motions to dismiss entirely which side has to prove the case are attorney fees standard outside of anti-slap stuff holly that's a fantastic question thank you so anti-slap is a very particular statute in most states not all states and we talked about that with regard to johnny depp too that part of the reason i perceive that the johnny depp defamation suit against amber heard is in virginia is because virginia does not have an anti-slap statute my perception but isn't it coincidental um washington state coincidentally does not have an anti-slap and i don't think that minnesota has an anti-slap statute either anti-slap motions generally dismiss the case with prejudice and you can get attorney's fees for it so the case is over you can't bring another case you can't rewrite the complaint and try again you can't just he he start over no you are done and dusted and it's over it's like final over motions to dismiss like we saw in the toddy westbrook suit on jurisdiction the case is dismissed without prejudice it can be refiled it can be rewritten this is the same on like a 12b6 motion like hey you didn't file this lawsuit well and it's like all right you're right it wasn't filed well it gets dismissed without prejudice and it can be refiled an anti-slap if you win an anti-slap motion it's done it's done you cannot sue somebody again for the same actions thank you so much for bringing that question up because i hope that that um brought in more understanding question you should do a podcast with simply pod logical i'm sure that we will collaborate at some point when legal stuff comes up i was just flattered and touched that that that they watch my content i was like oh um because i watch their content i enjoy their podcast and i enjoy i really enjoy the everything that simply nailogical does it's fun stuff to watch and i just i just really like christina ben so much ban questions speaking about words make a difference what are the consequences of saying sorry after an accident or if a doctor says it to a patient um i thought has changed it in the past it sometimes admitting fault and apologizing can be seen as admitting fault it's just ugh it's a it's a hard thing to touch on because it depends on how someone else perceives it so it's you know oh my god i'm so sorry can be perceived as oh my god you're at fault or perceived as oh my god i'm sorry that we're in this circumstance so for doctors it really goes generally by what a their own personal tolerance is but also what their risk management assessors where they work are going to tell them to do and a lot of times an apology can help heal a circumstance but it can also at times be used against you so if you admit fault and they're like hey this went wrong um the thing is sometimes things go wrong and no one's at fault accidents do happen but it can be a very dicey a very dicey thing so it's a great question for sure kelly chambers not related but is it a copyright violation fair use for someone to read an entire on live stream i i read entire what um i'm guessing book not written by the streamer oh that's a very specific request but their live performing books without rights release can be a problem so having a channel where it's like oh i'm just going to read books that aren't um you know aren't within the creative commons stuff that hasn't expired in copyright can be a problem so yes if we're talking about books it can be a problem things that are within creative commons um not a problem yay danielle welcome um in florida we have sanctions is this the same or similar to a slap lawsuit says whitney so the slap lawsuit is the lawsuit that's the problem the anti-slap statute is the like you you can't file that lawsuit against me get out of court but sanctions and depending on how florida's sanctions are sanctions can mean a lot of things sanctions can mean sanctions against lawyers for filing the suits sanctions against litigants for filing the suit but that's not necessarily the same as a anti-slap as anti-slap litigation let's see florida [Music] florida however does seem to have a general anti-slap provision and has since 2000 so florida does have an anti-slap statute now whether they have sanctions that are separate from that and sanctions for vexatious litigants and things like that they are probably two things um completely different so i'm cindy nelson said dustin daley shouted you out to dustin and nick have been tremendously supportive of the channel and and supportive uh behind the scenes as well and are two humans i very much enjoy that i've gotten to know so yes oh thank you guys for all the purple hearts yay yay yay i love you guys too um kibby says honestly emily's name is getting blasted everywhere i mean some some good some not so good but yes i again i really enjoy being a resource for other channels i enjoy getting to know other creators it's just this journey has been such a tremendous blessing and getting to uh join with all of you in it i can't wait till we can be again in person when i was reading this whole thing i was like i want to record live in front of an audience and get to hang out and like do an episode interview somebody have a two-hour conversation take audience questions i wouldn't like that sounds like the most fun can we please do that i think there'd be more 100 in the audience but can we please do that that was not meant to be shady it's just the law nerds are our hardcore that's all so i just i just can't wait to do that um michaela says i'm here from h3 thank you being on h3 was so much fun um question do you own a trampoline and will you be burning it alive after this i don't own a trampoline i i'm one of those parents i'm sorry i'm one of those parents that is trampoline avoidant and this is a back and forth in my house my kids want a trampoline i'm worried about people dislocating shoulders and elbows i know that trampolines can be safe and fun and trampolines can also be dangerous if not used right i have nervousness about them i will also tell you a quick tangent in college i was always so jealous that the divers like the divers on the diving team got to do trampoline workouts it always looked like so much fun and after water polo practice i was talking with the diving coach and i was like this looks like so much fun and he's looking at my less chunky but still curvy body going no no you you are way too uh curvy to be a diver you're gonna splash everywhere i'm like but the trampolines look so much fun he's like these are not a toy this is actual hard work and i'm like i know it's hard work but it looks like so much fun that they get to do these trampoline workouts so uh trampolines make me nervous that's where i'm at and we do not have one at this point that my kids very much want a trampoline question have you considered covering epic versus apple i know you're a bit of a gamer and an uh epic fan so i'd love to hear more fact-based commentary on this yes i have thought about it it's so much work to get up to speed like to be perfectly honest there's so much that has happened in this litigation that to get up to speed it's going to be um it's going to take some time i am at this point intending to break it down when it is done because they are in trial so it's going to keep changing so yes i'm intending to go back and break down what happened and why when we get to the end of it though it's probably just going to get appealed but we'll see so yes at some point in the future but it is all of the all of these episodes take time and research to put together when i have already um a pretty basic fact background and when there isn't a ton of litigation it's a little easier to parse through there has been so much litigation in epic versus apple um kaylee stein says seeing you on h3 is so exciting i've been posting on this um posting on the sub since the start of dd ddjc and i'm so happy to see you making a big wave thank you so much um question after a lawsuit are you able to speak on it it depends on a the lawsuit and b how it resolves so when you win in court you generally can speak about it um most people are a little gun shy after going through hundreds of thousands of dollars of litigation and are just like it's over don't ask me about it again but uh if in this instance if shannon wanted to talk about the defamation suit could she that would really be between her and her attorneys um let me see when this was i mean this was dismissed let me see when this order is this was um this was done in 2019 so i know there was some reporting about it then but i don't think she has spoken on it much and i imagine that she won't because again you get a little gunshot after going through litigation like that so hopefully that helps um robin d so deserve the twitter combo between you and christine was adorable thank you i like christine a lot um a girl named james hi i just subbed thanks been stalking for a while of course welcome stalking stalking in the fun colloquial inner internet senses welcome stalking in the like um driving three states to knock on somebody's house and and hurl disparaging statements at them i'll talk about the the boogie case in a second i have i have more thoughts more has come to light for me so we're gonna talk about boogie even though we're in the middle of q and a's so we will um oh and nope ninja s and then i'm going to get back to the second half of this i just my brain nope ninja asked question would you come to canada i've been to canada i love canada and i'm sure i will find myself in canada again i enjoy visiting canada i've even come to canada in january because i'm crazy like that i was there for a new year's once it was really cold question i'm a registered nurse and i've been wanting to apply to law school for a long time do you have any advice to move forward with this things i need um well the lsat first i am also sure that the application process for law school has changed events a bit since i applied to law school back in the early 2000s there's probably now a clearing house i would look for a school that matches your goals and a school that's not going to put you in debt that you're paying off for 30 000 years or at least 30 plus years because if you've already been through nursing law school is also expensive and if you want to go into the field of like medical malpractice and use your nursing knowledge i would look for a school where you can do work in that field where you can work with a hospital where you can you have you know potentially professors that work in the field and i would look for something tailored to what you want to do not necessarily like i want to go to law school this one has a good reputation also if you can live close to where you want to work it helps regional law schools can do really well if that's the region that you stay in you don't necessarily have to go to a top 10 law school um because your experience will stand on its own so um emma said question could a mention be put up in a playlist descriptions if videos are not in chronological order um i generally try to put the things in chronological order on my playlists so i generally try to um jenn mcewen asked something i've been asked a lot well i'll be covering the laurie vallo chad day bell case not yet um i may in the future but not just yet melissa bella said question do you think shannon will continue her healthy food plan wasn't she doing like a freshly meal plan also congrats on all your subs you deserve it thank you a good reminder to do the youtubey things i can only imagine that she'll continue making food i mean wasn't she selling them on like qvc and stuff she has to still make an income she's been spending a ton of money like i i'm sure shannon has probably spent well over half a million dollars on legal fees well probably over a million if we count the divorce the stuff that came after the divorce to have to get the screen uh the um appearance releases the suing the diverse attorney and i don't know why i just said divorce so weird but suing the divorce attorney and then also dealing with the defamation i mean she's probably well over given all of that a million in legal fees so i can't imagine that she would stop doing that if that's a good source of income for her it's a lot look legal is stressful lawsuits are stressful it's it's fun for us um in a commentary space it's like being a sports commentator to sit back and be like this is what they said this is how they ordered it this is the image they're trying to paint for the court this is what they're trying to say but then it's nice to be able to pull the other side of it going that's actually not what it is that's actually not defamation you've taken these two parts made them seem like they go together they don't and this is why i won we can look at the overall of it but still so so so stressful and so expensive going through all of this whether shannon paid more than the amount of lawyers fees that she won she won over a hundred thousand dollars in lawyers fees in that anti-slap motion being granted but that doesn't mean that that's just what she spent so that's what it is kristin sawyer sawyer sayer sawyer i think sawyer any thoughts on judge middleton being forced to not stream anymore so if you guys haven't watched this this was shared on twitter yesterday and i actually took the twitter app off my phone of doing it just from um just from the browser so that i'm not on it as much i'm better when i'm not on twitter a lot but i was really sad to see it it it seemed to me that a lot of people had complained after the um the mr 3000 incident happened and that that was part of what contributed to this that people were saying it wasn't professional that he wasn't professional i was sad to hear some of the comments and the negative comments he had gotten and it just again some of those comments that he has gotten i was like ugh i feel you judge middleton because i get that too you'll see plenty of comments of people being like how can you be a real liar you curse so much look you don't know lawyers if you're saying but you curse how can you be a lawyer i'm not in court i don't walk into corpy and like what's up like that's not how that is but also this is commentary not court he was in court i thought he ran his court professionally i think he gave a really good slice of what a local operating court looks like the point that was well taken for me when judge middleton said that he was um not going to be streaming was that no one asked the litigants and for me that is one of the things that i hadn't really considered much when we were talking about zoom court but now you've got somebody who you know may be in court on you know possession of methamphetamine and might not want the entire country watching that on youtube people who are dealing with domestic violence cases might not want everyone to know normally you unless somebody actually makes the effort to pay for parking go to court get up at 8 30 know the day it's on the docket you wouldn't know that these things were going on because you're not sitting there watching them day after day but when you're working from home and you can stream it or people can you know pull it and comment on it not that there's anything wrong with that because there's not but it also puts people who are now used to dealing or would be dealing with just a small local court issue now it has the potential to go viral and become international news and i understand that for defendants that can be an issue for victims that can be an issue would you want to be a victim in judge middleton's court knowing it could go viral and be streamed all over youtube it would be it would be it would be a whole other factor victims oftentimes don't want to go to court and testify anyway having the people in the courtroom looking at them is is overwhelming and enough so to then know that that could be hundreds of thousands of people on the internet was a point that was well taken for me i like that the public can go to zoom court live streaming court on youtube i think there's the good parts are we get to see how the court system works and it's open and transparent during a pandemic when it can't be open and transparent i like the balance of people having to register with the court and call in so the court can control the proceedings and then those aren't necessarily um out in the public form like the the josh duggar detention hearing it was what like six hours long you could request the permission to attend from the court they knew who you were they knew what you were attending they had very strict rules on what could and couldn't be shared how it could and couldn't be shared so it protects the openness of the court while still protecting kind of the sanctity of the court at the same time so that was a lot of thoughts i didn't realize i had so many thoughts i really like judge middleton i will miss seeing him so i miss it i'm gonna sweep a few super chats that i didn't get to i am sorry i am sorry um ajula1012 said when your daughter calls and says did you just make a large purse purchase on amazon i just have to say new lawnerd merch well thank you for your lawnerd purchase i hope you enjoy it um oh my god it's dana said you missed um the most fun chat half of us didn't have questions because we were chatting and laughing so hard we love you well i'm so glad you guys are having fun in the chat that is what i love about the chat and that is why we moderate the chat the way we do so the chat can be fun and cannot be thunderdome because that's not what i like it's also why we um pretty heavily regulate like the all caps because that is hard for me to parse um adia rae said just want to say i love your channel and the purple hair looks awesome on you thank you you're doing a great job i am trying i'm a little i'm a little under the weather today but we're trying and brenda osborne super chatted and said hello emily thank you and um who said kate hi kate thank you for your super sticker um jane doe jane doe we need to hi we need to chat rookie i was on a lot of raketa's live stream last night i have so many thoughts so when raketa covered the boogie stuff on his live stream last night i didn't see if he covered the um the q anon shaman stuff but when he covered the boogie stuff ricketta um pulled up the boogie interview boogie and the guy and if you guys don't know what i'm talking about i covered it in another live stream a youtuber has been um charged with unlawfully discharging a firearm i think they also charged it as an assault before he says firing a warning shot into the air when somebody whose last name is hassel was allegedly harassing him at his house boogie the youtuber made a police report about the stalking and harassment that he alleges he suffered at hassel's hands when i covered it the problem i had with the video that we had seen and all of the information that was out was that hassel showed up to his house was knocking on his door and was calling him out calling him names and generally just being a total dick but he wasn't trying to pull the door open he wasn't trying to get in through a window he was like you know you come out here and then a whole bunch of slurs and name calling but he didn't appear at that point to try to get into the house or anything like that boogie then opened the door and fired a warning shot now what rakeda showed last night was an interview before that incident happened with boogie and hassel that keemstar did now in that interview boogie threatens hassel's life more times than i could count and starts saying how he's going to use the castle doctrine which is like a stand your ground doctrine to protect himself if he shoots and kills hassle he's like calling him out come to my house come to my house i will end you i will end this i don't care i have a gun i'm mentally ill i will kill you i'm like holy well the prosecutor is gonna go through all of that and be like you were premeditating to pull a weapon on him this was not like heat of the moment he showed up and you were so afraid that you were like i didn't know what else to do i didn't even think to call the police i didn't know how to get him off my steps you said you wanted this result you said you wanted to fire a weapon at him like in this interview he's like i will end you i will kill you so given that information that prosecution's probably not gonna plea easily because of all that was said so the prosecutors are gonna be like this you this you that interview is not gonna go well for him at all at all queen questions thoughts on the process kim k is doing to become a lawyer it's legal in my state and i've thought about doing it that way queen i have no shade to kim k for becoming a lawyer um i think it is a more difficult way to become a lawyer i also think kim has the money and the ability to do that um it's a lot of work i i don't even well law schools are now virtual um so there's a lot of options for online school and night school but an apprenticeship generally comes with a lot of hoops so i would make sure that you are well aware of the apprenticeship aware how much you're going to have to spend for the other attorney's time what tests you have to take i think it is a harder route to become a lawyer with more hoops involved than maybe um attending law school in another non-traditional way but it is a legit way to become a lawyer apprenticeship used to be the only way to become a lawyer and if you have an attorney willing to put in the time and effort to help you get there i think it's it's possible so those are my thoughts but depending on your state you would have to absolutely look at how that work um what the requirements are for your state i'll have to do a whole video on kim k becomes a lawyer i'm curious to see if she'll pass the bar um she's definitely been studying it's a lot of time law school takes a lot of time i can't imagine doing law school with kids i can't imagine doing law school while also filming a show i mean in law school it was literally three years of like i can't do anything else i am just studying and i would always tell law students now when you're in law school find some balance because spending three years in law school figuring out how to work a lot how to process information and also how to rest and balance will carry you through the longevity of your career i did law school with like head down work hard like nothing else matters i listened to a lot of when i say nothing else matters i listened to a lot of metallica when i was in law school like i i was very emo in law school um it was a lot of work so it was like head down and rage rock head down and work but i carried that into my career which led to a lot of burnout for me because you cannot head down and work 30 years of a career you will burn yourself out there has to be ebb and flow to it and if you don't allow for that ebb and flow you're going to burn out and in law they'll let you burn out they'll be like cool you want to do more work sweet go ahead so you have to put those bumpers around yourself for sure so thank you for the super sticker question can we get more asmr videos yes there will be more i actually intend to keep that channel going i've just been swamped and haven't done it but yes yes yes yes anna says i'm a little behind no worries no explanation needed so this might have been asked john oliver did an episode on slap suits about a year ago on last week tonight was that a decent overview of it i have no idea i haven't seen it but i will watch and see if we can recommend it as a resource i'm sure others have covered slap and anti-slap lawsuits as well uh joe jersey question would you ever go back and cover the dan betty braddock divorce would love your take on it i don't know enough about it if we ever have time to go back and cover stuff the first divorce i want to go back and cover is bethany and jason because we're on a housewife kick at the moment but um i appreciate it i appreciate it so um i'm gonna look for a few more questions and then i'm going to have to wrap up emily is getting an accent marissa that may be the case um i did that in college too and i don't even me i don't even notice when i'm doing it but i did that in college when i came home and my family's like what's happening i'm like massachusetts happened to me massachusetts happened to me and i sound completely different um ada ray just wanted to say i love your channel purple oh thank you i read those out now i get to pull them up so i'm going to pull them up for sure um liz b said hubby gets a little worried when he hears me listening he's like you're learning too much get it lisby learn all the things and then you're gonna be like no look let me know in the chat are you all put diamonds in the chat who's watching real housewives of beverly hills tonight with a notepad with a notepad um zhao i hope i pronounced that right joa i think anything on the trailer lawsuit no i actually double checked pacer this morning nada i don't think the parties have been sue uh served yet triller has to serve the h3 podcast and has to serve film daily and they haven't filed proof of service with the court yet so that's the thing i think will happen next is proof of service um druvas i hope i did that right christine and emily from their professional experiences have overlapping things statistician and law yes i think it would be fascinating to talk about um her work as a statistician vis-a-vis my work as a criminal prosecutor i think that would be a lot of fun one day one day um all right adam hi long time listener first time caller welcome adam long time listener first time caller two-part question how does the law community feel about visible tattoos does it affect things like law school admission jobs prospects etc it might be changing and it depends on the area of law i imagine if you're going into entertainment law you're working with influencers nobody's gonna give a um in government prosecution visible tattoos were still a little frowned upon but at the public defender's office nobody really cared so it's going to depend on the area where you practice the tolerance generally of the area where you practice my tattoos were always i always wore a jacket in court anyway you very if i was in trial you very rarely saw my arms because it wasn't that i was worried about my bosses or the court it was jurors i was worried about because what i don't need is jurors wasting their time either judging me or being curious about my tattoos or being like and that doesn't feel very professional to me i mean if you want to see how people feel about professional female attorneys you can look at the comments on my channel on natalie lawyer chick's channel even look at what judge middleton said about people saying well you're not professional you're not representing you're not representing the profession very well he's like somebody called into my court with the name but 3000 what do you want me to do ignore it but it's the it's the jurors for me because i was in jury trials that i was very mindful of because i don't need them wasting their energy being like i don't know how i can listen like who does she think she is with the you know if i was to go into trial now i could not do this with purple hair and with tattoos it just would not work but if i worked in the entertainment industry it might not be as much of a thing because i don't know if you know influencers care if their attorney has purple hair some might some might be like i don't what i don't want an attorney fluencer i want an attorney i want a boring old dude attorney and so it really really depends on where you are in the legal community i think standards of professionalism professionalism with regard to physical appearance are changing but also i've seen it where people who are heavier are discriminated against in law it's like oh well do you make sound judgment because you are not as thin as that person over there you heard natalie and nate the lawyer talk about um judgment and discrimination because of their hairstyles it's law can be very appearance based and judgy but i think it's changing that was a very long answer adam there is no right answer for it it also depends like a tattoo above your eyebrows is going to be different than something on your arms or the back of your neck that you might see once in a while different than like knuckle tattoos so i don't know i had an etf agent that i worked with ages ago that literally was like sleeved i've also worked with male attorneys that were sleeved and they would wear like an under armour sleeve under their white shirts so you didn't really see their tattoos because visible it depends like what's really visible if you're in a suit and it's not your face or your fingers generally you can make them not super visible but if they're visible on your off time not as much of a problem i hope that enters hope that answers um this is the most professional and optimized live on youtube thanks for the help mods i love our mods can we get a mod shout out can we get a mod mod love shout out because the the mods help keep this chat a fun and safe place to chat uh thank you batool i am sorry for your diagnosis um i am 24 and will be down but your videos and you would make me smile i'm now in remission congratulations on being in remission i can i can empathize tremendously i had a friend go through cancer at a very young age and it was it was quite a lot and people did not um did not understand but we were da's together i just i'm so glad you're in remission the content will always be here hopefully to bring a laugh and a little bit of learning or at least a mindless distraction in the background with me going on and on about housewives thank you so much for sharing that and lots and lots of love and healing vibes um and i'm so glad you're in remission yay and i'm so glad to see the honored love in the chat under that it's so so great i love it um abigail in paralegal school two of my teachers were lawyers with tattoos my probate teacher had an entire sleeve but he usually wore a long sleeve jacket too perfect there we go um question any thoughts about johnny depp suing the aclu because they didn't get their receipts that amber heard donated to the aclu like she promised um i haven't has he sued them i haven't seen it um if they said that she don't heard donating became a thing in the court in the uk so if they did something wrong there it'll be interesting to see but i don't know it enough uh heidi yes there is clearly a special kind of hate between jim bolino and tamara judge i think tamar judge was the one who deemed alexis bolino jesus jugs tamara was definitely critical of them there's the thing though is it's not illegal to be an and tamara definitely can be an i think she's funny but she can definitely be an that's not illegal so whether this stuff is actually defamatory we'll see um thank you tech for reminding me um about court of public opinion we're going to do it right now hello dear time for your catnip tip also looking forward to some laundry prime merch thank you so much ashley vincent always good to see you in the chat um erica tv question i'm a new sub from h3 welcome what is your law background what are your favorite cases to take oh that is so much welcome 2 000 friends this is your time to do the youtubey things like and subscribe and and the stuff like thumbs up the chat and then we're gonna do court of public opinion but i'm gonna talk about me for just a second i went to law school to become a deputy district attorney i knew i wanted to go into criminal prosecution during law school i had the pleasure of working with the u.s attorney's office federally in their tax crimes division which was fascinating stuff and i tell stories about that often i also had the pleasure of working at the district attorney's office um for a summer where i worked with stalking and threat assessment arson and crimes against peace officers very interesting eye-opening experience for me we also worked in like a storage closet it wasn't like it was a storage locker where the evidence was so you would have to walk through the evidence like on like garage style um shelving with the evidence boxes so my desk was near the o.j simpson case evidence boxes it was a very weird summer in a room with no windows but i really enjoyed my time there and ended up working some of the days i worked with during that time became da's that i then worked with later in my career after law school i worked as a research attorney or a judicial research attorney depending on where you are they call it different things but i was a waiting for bar results and worked directly for two judges reading all the stuff that came across like we do here um and helping them form opinions doing the legal research behind it uh long hours fascinating work um worked on all different kinds of cases so that was really fun and civil then i became a deputy district attorney when i left the district attorney's office i started doing consulting work for online business owners which i really enjoyed and that touches on business structure intellectual property and stuff like that um so i really enjoyed working with business owners one-on-one because you see the impact of your work the most directly and the most quickly but being a district attorney was hugely meaningful it was just very very very stressful and and it did not blend for my family but i have a whole ted talk about that so if you want to hear me talk about leaving the district attorney's office and figuring out who the i am as a human anyway i have a ted talk it's probably you can search emily d baker ted but it's probably down in the description below so so um almost a surely i pulled this comment because um it was really cute a boy was trying to impress our daughter with led zeppelin music and my daughter knew everything on them thanks to dad he was music obsessed that boy was all like no party in our house i love that so much my kid listens to a lot of the music that i love and it is really one of my pleasures the only thing is he does not love dave matthews band like i love dave matthews band and it hurts my soul a little bit my youngest likes dave better my oldest is really like bad religion the offspring metallica a little bit of system of a down like we've we've gone a different direction with my oldest um and i love it i love watching him experience the music that i love too so very very fun um all right somebody was saying hold on i've got to thank you for the love for the mods valerie same in academia student evaluations have comments on your skincare routine i got asked by jurors about my skin all the time i had jurors regularly wait after trial to ask me about my skin and then it was always my drink accoutrement this is not a new thing that i like drink containers this is not new um but i would get asked about where i got my water bottle where i got my things all the time by jurors that was those were kind of the top two um and then people ask me like about my voice and if i did radio and stuff like that would happen okay i am going to miss a whole bunch of questions i'm sorry we have to do court of public opinion i've been talking for way too long uh peace and geek thank you for making my days as a paralegal and legal resource project manager a little easier you're welcome i'm sure you are very busy all of the time um so all right let's do let's do quarter public opinion let me pull it up and for those of you that are new um for the public opinion is something we do on fridays on fridays we put out a new question the point of court of public opinion is to have cheeky banter and and discuss how we discuss it's part of our critical thinking here is leonard's how do we solve a problem and what does the court of public opinion say it started with a super chat about whether or not a hot dog was a sandwich and it grew into a whole house whole ass thing from there and now we do it every friday we did the youtuber apology bracket which was a blast and now we are on to um browser tabs that was our question for this week and friday we will have a new question i'm gonna let my parents pick this week's court of public opinion in honor of them visiting this week then i put polls up on youtube on my channel tab and on twitter and then we go through on tuesdays and rule on the court of public opinion so let me just pull these up and see we've got lots and lots of thoughts on the court of public opinion so let's let's just get into it it's time to get into court of public opinion it's time to get into court of public opinion [Applause] i know i love the intro too it makes me so happy i buggy while you guys boogie with the intro so court of public opinion was browser tabs how many browser tabs how many browser tabs and here we go i don't know why it needs read more how many web browser tabs or phone browsers are too many is over 50 even reasonable can you get anything done with less than five zero to five works for me my brain hurt more more hurts my brain 20 or less let's not get wild 20 to 50 is fine chill people and 50 plus gotta get done and a lot of the comments were that this was situational for you guys and this is with over 17 000 i love how many of you participated thank you um it's situational for a lot of you it's like if i'm doing work it's this if i'm doing um if i'm doing stuff for me it's this if i'm on my phone it's this so for a lot of you it was different um emma said on a normal day 5 max if i'm doing research or writing a paper 15 is my max anything more is just lying to yourself about how much you can tackle and some of you a lot of you use it as a to-do list too where you leave your tabs open going i have to check through these things in my day so it was very interesting to see that the zero to five was kind of our winning category on youtube now over on twitter again zero to five forty four percent twenty or less thirty one percent twenty to fifty twelve percent and fifty plus eleven percent with over twenty six hundred votes um these generally run about the same because the lawyers we are generally pretty much running parallel between platforms on how we think of things so that's what it is you guys are saying gotta get gotta get it done my chrome has eight tabs that appear each time a new window is opened this is just what i need to get my day started but more than 20 tabs 20 gets messy and distracting i feel it my husband is the kind of psycho who has 50 plus tabs open on his phone i never understand it me neither me neither my husband has all the tabs open and i don't so it seems for most people it seems for most people except for tesla's husband who says 101 is where it's too much for most people zero to five is kind of where our happy space is so the court of public opinion has spoken all of you close your browsers close your browsers you're just distracting yourself no it's the court of public opinion you're welcome to disagree with the court of public opinion and be like who are these people that are doing only five who are these people that are doing 50.

[02:09:07]it's just the court of public picture just the court of public opinion we have gotten through so much today we have gone well over two hours i'm getting my brain is tired i'm sure some of you are with me who are like yes us too thank you for hanging with me another day law nerds i will be back on friday i am not sure what we're covering on friday yet we will see what happens friday might just be a chill um q a stream there might be a few things to touch on i am not going to break down the tamar judge stuff just yet but we will be doing that in the weeks to come um i am going to be diving into the ethan klein lawsuit on fair use that's going to probably be a podcast uploaded episode so we've got lots to do lots to cover and lots to come so make sure you have a like the stream on your way out be subscribed and hit the bell so you know when i go live and if you are in north america you can just hit textemily.com and join the text crew i will send out reminders and i will also send out information if i'm going to like pop off live on instagram i'll send you reminders there and i do my best to get in there and chat when i can i do not guarantee that i answer texts but i try to i also enjoy sending out birthday texts it's a lot of fun i love the tech screw and last plug the pride march is up so if you want to head over to the law nerd shop and check out the new merch i'm going to make sure right after i finish this stream that it sorts a little more easily for you so that you can find everything you're looking for and there will be some additional merch coming up at the beginning of june there's also going to be some giveaways coming at the beginning of june so stay tuned here and on social at the emily baker everywhere we've got a lot going on you guys thank you um drop drop some diamonds again are you guys going to be watching real housewives of beverly hills tonight because um i'm going to be watching real housewives of beverly hills tonight i'm absolutely i'm absolutely going to be watching real housewives of beverly hills tonight i can't wait to see you all back on the internet tomorrow have a good rest of your day thanks for being honored connect with me everywhere i'm at the emily debaker if you guys want to join the text just text emily.com if you want to join the channel lawnerdsunite.com happy to have you support what we do here on the youtube