Examining the Dead Internet Theory and Digital Deception Realities

[00:00:00]More than half of everything you encounter online right now was not made by a human, but by bots specifically targeting your psyche. A mysterious Twitter account posted the full name of an assassin 2 and a half years before he ever made his move. A foreign intelligence agency cloned a journalist's voice and used it to swing a national election. A quarter of the country believes that the most documented assassination attempt in American history was staged. And the people who benefit the most from all of this, the lies, the chaos, the doubt, don't even have to create theories online anymore because we are churning it out ourselves. Today, we're going to lay out all the top stories, the theories, and show exactly how we got here to a confusing and chaotic virtual world that is ultimately messing with our reality. We're going to go through the data, the deep fakes, and the dormant accounts do find where reality stopped being something that we all agreed on and became something that we now struggle to even decipher. The false flags that are being fabricated and circulated online. It is a strange time to be alive and it's about to get a whole lot stranger. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp.

[00:01:15]What's up people and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world from all time forever and always. That is what I do here in the tent. But before we begin, I just want to say a few things.

[00:01:30]First off, thank you dude and lady. I want to say thank you for tuning into this episode. Every time you click on an episode of this podcast, you keep the lights on here in the campsite and you keep the fire burning here in the tent.

[00:01:42]And real quick, I just want to give a big shout out to my good pal Christos Paparapos. He is the man on the ones and twos that keeps all the cameras running in this beautiful studio. How are you, Christo?

[00:01:51]>> What's up, Christo? No time because we also have a very prestigious guest. His name is Joey Avery. How are you?

[00:01:55]>> Great to be here, Mark.

[00:01:56]>> I mean, truly one of the regular regular guests of the show and u I would say the MVP. Guest of the year. We got to start throwing out guest of the year. I feel like I would be in heavy contention there.

[00:02:07]>> Yeah.

[00:02:08]>> Who else would you put up for that?

[00:02:10]>> Um I don't know. Randle Carlson.

[00:02:13]>> He's an archaeologist. He knew a lot about like sacred geometry and stuff and the younger dus impact theory. He was pretty smart.

[00:02:19]>> Yeah. But dude, what about the vibes?

[00:02:21]>> Yeah, I mean that's fair as far as vibes. You were cracking me up way more than he does.

[00:02:24]>> Yeah, 100% dude.

[00:02:26]>> Yeah. Now we have a very fascinating episode. Also, my pal David's here, but he's drinking a cold brew. Um, now this is an interesting episode that I was chitchatting with you about before. This is going to kind of go all across the board here. Okay. And the thing that kind of I uh that that hooked me on to really deep diving into this is dead internet theory.

[00:02:44]>> Mhm.

[00:02:45]>> Are you familiar with this?

[00:02:46]>> I am. Now, I guess before we even jump into that, how real do you feel like reality is? Do you feel like it's broken down?

[00:02:53]>> What a question. How real do I feel like reality? like reality like if I like like my perception of reality based on >> don't you feel like you go online and just doesn't feel like anything's real like people are mad and then you meet people in real life and they're not mad and then people are concerned about something in like your hometown that no one's talking about and on the internet and you're like what is actually real?

[00:03:15]>> Yeah. I feel like the antidote to being chronically online is as they say touching grass and when you like go outside like cuz you you go online and you're like everyone is an idiot and everyone is saying crazy stuff and the world is falling apart and then you go out and you see a friend and you meet a stranger and you watch a sunset and you're like yeah maybe it is okay. No, there's a few antidotes actually and I think uh at the end of the episode I have kind of like my sort of uh little I guess checklist for how to like not completely lose my mind. But I guess more the phenomena that things are >> Yeah, exactly. Zen and cold brew will kind of uh will kind of level you out.

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[00:04:04]>> 20% off with the code. Actually, it is if you go to try ultra.com. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But I uh I just think that there is a moment where like it just feels like things aren't real. And I will talk to people that existed even pre- like 2017 and they're like, "Yeah, the internet used to be fun." Like it used to be like you would go on Reddit or you go on Facebook and it would be like, "Hey, I got one for you. How about Ebomb's World?"

[00:04:25]>> Yeah, dude. Ebomb's World 2D games.

[00:04:29]>> 100%. Dude, I like the early internet had a it had something about it that was just innocent. I talk a lot about this in my current set on the road, joevery.com, while we're doing plugs.

[00:04:39]But, uh, >> edit that out.

[00:04:43]>> But it really, it did. I think when the internet first came out, there was like a feeling that it was going to save the world and now we've come so far that it feels like everyone feels like it's destroying the world.

[00:04:54]>> Yeah. I mean, I will say technology like the internet as well as like AI and kind of virtually everything else, smartphones, like basically any massive categorical innovation, I think bifurcates the human experience.

[00:05:07]>> So, it makes it almost equal directions better and worse at the same time.

[00:05:11]>> Yeah.

[00:05:11]>> So, it's like I can have a career. I can tell people about my show and my dates and the, you know, promote Ultra. I can do all of that because the internet, but also I don't know what to believe. I feel like I'm in like just a persistent state of malaise. I have like kind of just apathy about, you know, terrible events. This is something Sanchez talks about all the time. He's like, I need a a war to really even get me fired up. Or I don't even think a war would work out.

[00:05:34]>> Oh, you must be a pig and [ __ ] You've really come to the right era.

[00:05:38]>> Like, you just see something, you're like, "Oh, another shooting. Okay. All right. Oh, this congressman was like assaulting everyone. All right." Like it just like nothing matters anymore.

[00:05:48]>> Here, random optimistic spin on that.

[00:05:51]Will that make the incentive to do horrible things potentially go down because nobody even [ __ ] cares anymore?

[00:05:57]>> That's a great point.

[00:05:58]>> It used to be like we're gonna do this horrible event to shock people and now it's like oh okay you made a backpack explode. Who cares?

[00:06:04]>> You're a copycat.

[00:06:05]>> Who cares? We've seen it before.

[00:06:06]>> Yeah.

[00:06:07]>> Why don't you make Why don't you go paint?

[00:06:08]>> Yeah, right. That is a good point. We knew the Trench Co Mafia, right?

[00:06:12]>> I don't know any of these new mafia off.

[00:06:14]>> No, no one gives a [ __ ] Now, if you feel like the internet is falling apart and that uh you know your grip on reality is uh holding on by a thread, you're not alone cuz there's many people that have felt this and uh one of the major attributing I guess features of it is potentially this dead internet theory. Now, if you don't know what it is, let me break it down. Basically, the idea first started to percolate on a fringe internet forum in like 2021. And uh it was I I like Okay, so it actually was I think posted in January 2021 on this place called Agora Roads Macintosh Cafe.

[00:06:48]>> Okay, >> this is like this obscure forum for like lowfi hip hop and like vapor wave stuff and like the occasional conspiracy theory. Pretty chill hangup. And there's a user called Illuminati Pirate and basically he has this thing titled the dead internet theory. Most of the internet is fake. And the core claim is that the internet died around 2016 2017.

[00:07:07]And when you scroll now on the internet, the internet is just bots and AI. And he argued that these networks coordinated with corporations and governments to turn users into quote submissive consumers, calling it an AI powered gaslighting of the entire world population. My question would be is he saying that governments worked together on it or just by each government trying to introduce bots for their own sake, it's led to a prepoundonderance of them.

[00:07:36]>> It doesn't specify we worked with Russia on it, but if Russia's like, "Hey, let's get a bunch of bots that make Americans pissed about their politics and we, you know, have a bunch of bots going over to Russia like your vodka sucks, you pussies."

[00:07:49]>> Exactly. I think whatever fires them up.

[00:07:52]>> Yeah. I think that's more the claim is it's like our government has bots that are running to push their agendas and maybe even like rogue agents within government parties like >> and even a step further now I've been seeing some articles about uh bans and social media influencers that have hired PR firms to basically push their content out there so it can feel like they're everywhere.

[00:08:14]>> Right. You're referring to geese here which >> I know I just I did that cuz David is pissed off in the corner. But it isn't just geese. other other people too. But yeah, something about in my opinion, I think it's completely overblown cuz it's like, yeah, they just did digital marketing. And the age of digital marketing that we exist in is not on billboards and TV. It's on your phone.

[00:08:31]It is like metriculating through all different types of like meme pages and stuff. I read that article and I wasn't like, "Oh, gee sucks." I was like, "Oh, this PR firm slaps."

[00:08:39]>> Yeah.

[00:08:39]>> And I would hire them.

[00:08:40]>> Yeah.

[00:08:41]>> This is the It's not illegal. This is the game we're playing. I mean, even going further back, this is the whole Andrew Tate thing initially was like, okay, his account was banned. He wasn't even posting his own [ __ ] He had a bunch of incel dorks to follow him b and he basically gified, you have to post my clips. Now, the clips were good. That's why they worked. But you [ __ ] pump them everywhere and the algorithm's like, "Oh, everyone's talking about this."

[00:09:03]>> 100%. There you go. Now, I would even go to say that like every meme page you follow, like I would say like half to like 70% of the content is paid for.

[00:09:12]>> Yeah. even the content that feels organic and fun and you're like, "Oh, this is they're just posting this because it's interesting." It's like, "No, they're posting because like the management team of this rapper paid them to post it." And maybe it's a good piece of content like ontologically, >> but it's often so see-through, too. It's like, "Oh my god, bro snapped off on this one." And it's like, who what? Who cares? What really pisses me off is it's even wedged into like AI. If you're asking chat GPT for a recommendation, what's the best restaurant? Oh, for a guy like you. How about this? Secretly that restaurant was funding.

[00:09:44]>> Yeah, >> they're trying to [ __ ] us.

[00:09:46]>> Yeah, dude. Now, dead internet theory will go farther to say that even the accounts that you're interacting with are fake. So, like >> not all of them.

[00:09:52]>> You're in the comments.

[00:09:53]>> She loves me.

[00:09:54]>> No, no, no, no, no.

[00:09:55]>> What?

[00:09:56]>> Nope. Nope. Nope. You're >> little uh princess.

[00:10:01]>> Your little Snapchat AI is not real.

[00:10:03]Okay.

[00:10:03]>> [ __ ] >> And these are the women in your DMs. All right.

[00:10:05]>> What?

[00:10:06]>> Yes.

[00:10:07]>> That's not possible.

[00:10:08]>> It is possible. And it actually is verified. And I'm going to pull up this stat in a second, but uh basically the claim is that like over 50% of the people that you're dealing with on the internet are actually not people.

[00:10:19]They're just AI.

[00:10:19]>> I think 50% is high.

[00:10:21]>> Well, I'm going to prove you wrong. So in September of 2021, The Atlantic's Caitlyn Tiffany published this article in The Atlantic. Maybe you missed it, but the internet died 5 years ago. And she went on in the article to say that it was ridiculous, but then closed it up saying it's wrong, but it feels true, which is interesting framing. Now, April 2025, there's something called the Imperva Badbot Report. And this is a firm owned by the defense contractor Thails. And for the first time in a dec with with a lisp, who's in sales?

[00:10:55]>> Sales.

[00:10:55]>> I'm in sales.

[00:10:56]>> I'm I'm in sales and marketing.

[00:10:59]>> Wait, do you have a list? He's like, "No, I work for sales.

[00:11:01]>> I work for sales.

[00:11:03]>> Sales. I'm one of the best sellers.

[00:11:05]Coffee is for clothing."

[00:11:06]>> Okay, now you do have a list. Okay, sorry. So, for the first time in a decade from this Imper Badbot report, bots outnumber human traffic by 1%. 51% of all the traffic happening on the internet. According to the Imper Bad Bot Report is bots. That is shocking. Now, there's another study. Stanford and Imperial College of London and the Internet Archive also did that. They did another sort of independent study. Over 35% of new websites are now AI generated or AI assisted. Nearly 18% are fully AI made with no human author.

[00:11:40]So now the sites are 35% AI or AI assisted and then the people engaging with these sites and the comments and the reviews and the people uping and down voting those are also AI. So now you're just interfacing in this fake matrix world. And uh Europole also did this. By the end of 2026 up to 90% of online content may be synthetic.

[00:12:04]Pretty crazy. Alexis Ohanian from uh Reddit Reddit co-founder called the modern internet dead.

[00:12:10]>> Damn.

[00:12:11]>> Yeah. Serena Williams uh husband >> bad boy. Yeah.

[00:12:15]>> And uh he basically blamed quasi AI LinkedIn slop in a recent post. Now the original version of this had like a conspiratorial tone that the government corporations were deliberately flooding the web as a social control mechanism to get people to buy stuff.

[00:12:30]>> I don't put it past them.

[00:12:31]>> Yeah.

[00:12:32]>> It's not really it's not really able to be proven.

[00:12:34]>> Like Yeah. Do do we there's a 0% chance that the CIA or whatever hasn't tried influencing uh thoughts with bots.

[00:12:44]>> Thoughts with bots.

[00:12:45]>> Yeah.

[00:12:46]>> Another great website coming bot thoughts.

[00:12:50]>> Exactly.

[00:12:50]>> Well, and you know that's I guess AI porn is probably a good thing, you know.

[00:12:55]>> Yeah. I go back and forth on that. I'm like >> cuz then what do we do with all the damaged people >> exactly?

[00:13:02]>> Where are they supposed to work? just an Amazon workshop or something like that.

[00:13:05]>> Yeah, that's no fun for them.

[00:13:06]>> But I'm like on the one hand I'm like it drifts into like okay you can make anything ever. I'm like >> yeah it's not it's just going to break your brain.

[00:13:13]>> That's going to break your brain.

[00:13:14]>> But at the same time you're not exploiting women >> right >> in the you know that women are not in these cycles of exploitation.

[00:13:19]>> But then it's like if we want to go down this it's like are they really being exploited if they're cons consenting uh sex workers who enjoy their craft of getting absolutely pummeled and squirting on their sheets. Un unfortunately I think the nature of capitalism and the market that we live in is what is exploiting them and us.

[00:13:37]Rise up comrades. Anyway, now the original tone is conspiratorial. All right, like they're saying that it's a conspiracy, but the real data does show that there is like cheap AI and ad fraud and engagement farming at a massive scale bigger than we've ever seen or maybe you could even like I really predict like by the end of 2026 allegedly 90% is going to be completely made up. And this came from 2021 on a random forum. Pretty wild.

[00:14:03]>> Has anyone tried to track down that person? I mean, it could have just been a guy with like a decent idea who like saw where it was going like, you know what I mean?

[00:14:11]>> Yeah. And I think he's completely right.

[00:14:13]Yeah. I mean, not completely right, but like largely right, especially two years before AI was even in like the mainstream.

[00:14:18]>> Yeah. Cuz it wasn't at that time that easy to throw it out. But now it's like it just it seems like at the rate things are happening in a year everything's going to look completely different.

[00:14:28]>> Yeah. Now to add on to that there's another weird little ripple in this and this is something that came up through uh Twitter sort of publishing the locations of all these Twitter accounts >> that you have people that run like you know Tim Ma you know 2015 >> made in America.

[00:14:44]>> Exactly. I love America and they rage bait like crazy. They post just like pictures of black people and they're like who would elect this guy? like it's just like racist rage baiting like insane [ __ ] and then >> based in Ukraine.

[00:14:55]>> Yeah, that account's in Ukraine, it's in Pakistan, it's in India. And my assumption there is it's perhaps governments. But I also think now that there is a financial incentive on Twitter aka.com that you're getting this perverse incentive for people to just basically create ragebait content to piss off Americans for money, >> right? And they yeah, they they get that money. But think about how much fun it would be to just be a [ __ ] Pakistani dude and being like, "I've gone mug, you know, and just posting crazy [ __ ] all the time."

[00:15:25]>> Cuz we could flip it on and we could be like, "Hey, we're going to be like big like Modi guys and just like just pump Modi content and just rage just enrage everyone else in India."

[00:15:33]>> Israeli comedy.

[00:15:34]>> Yeah, exactly. You could do that. You could do that.

[00:15:37]>> But mo Yeah. No, that would be funny. I think the only problem with with most Americans is we don't actually know enough about the politics of any other place to do it effectively.

[00:15:46]>> Yeah, unfortunately. But it'd be worth >> Bobs and Vene.

[00:15:49]>> Yeah, they love that, dude.

[00:15:51]>> Yeah. Who you voting for, Bobs or Vene?

[00:15:53]It's >> like, oh man. Oh, it's a tough one.

[00:15:57]>> Now, the dead internet section proves that most web traffic isn't human. All right. based off of these reports if we take them at face value.

[00:16:03]>> And I do, but I think that there's some level of like I I imagine sophistication is getting better. But there's also stuff that we all immediately recognize as like bot [ __ ] Like if you go to the comment section on one of those meme pages you mentioned, and it's just like a million photos of the same girl's ass being like, "You better not watch my story unless you want to come."

[00:16:24]>> And it's just like a hundred of those on like a a video of like a car crash or something. And but for every hundred of those, I do think there are some that are sophisticated enough to pull people in and maybe like I've seen some that are really clever where like someone will comment on like an episode that I do and a guy talks about like how like mushrooms saved his life and now it's going to be in the comments of this videos, but like people being like, "Dude, mushrooms like really cured me of all my anxiety and PTSD." And then a comment underneath from a different account will say, "Oh, where'd you get them from?" And he's like, "Oh, I got them from here."

[00:16:53]>> Yeah.

[00:16:54]>> Now all those comments in the thread are fake.

[00:16:56]>> Yeah. But it feels real to the point where I was reading it being like, "Oh, maybe I should wait. Hold on. What's happening? This is absurd."

[00:17:04]>> Now, bad bots, the ones that are malicious and like mimicking like human behavior, hit 37% of traffic in 2024, up from 32%. This is the sixth straight year of growth.

[00:17:17]>> And if the trend holds, it's only going to grow more and more. And you know, these machines, they kind of want you angry. Like the algorithms want you to be pissed off. They want you to keep on scrolling and outrage is one of the most reliable fuels to do that. So ragebait was actually Oxford's 2025 word of the year and the usage of that word rage bait tripled and content built to provoke anger also is multiplied like significantly. And uh it's not just a vibe. There's a 2017 Princeton NYU study of five 563,312 tweets found each moral emotion word boosted a post spread by 20%. A 2025 replication of 8 basically a million confirmed this same exact finding that like emotional like moral emotion words is the thing that's going to boost it.

[00:18:09]So think of like a moral emotion word like you must like you be on the right side of history. These types of things like wrap people up >> right >> like saving our country, save your children, like these types of things is ultimately like what makes things spread. So of course things that are more salacious are going to spread around the internet. But at this point >> everything's become a reality show.

[00:18:27]>> Yeah. In a way, right? And there's even more studies to like back this up. So, a 2021 Yale study, 12 million tweets from 7,000 users found people uh found people rewarded with likes for outrage lean to post more outrage over time. So, you post something that's a little outrageous and then you just become more and more outrageous and you get caught in the >> We're all getting trained by the algorithm. You learn what works, you lean into that, and you keep going.

[00:18:54]>> Yeah. And unfortunately, politically moderate users in that study were the most sensitive to that reward. So the system radicalizes the middle most effectively.

[00:19:03]>> Interesting.

[00:19:04]>> Yeah.

[00:19:05]>> Because you don't have as much of a belief, so it's easy to get pulled one way or another.

[00:19:09]>> Yeah. I'm I'm presuming like you're like the most uh I mean one is like the biggest chunk of the population. I think most people are in the moderate section.

[00:19:16]And those are the people that are like probably the least, you know, gripped by their identity and or like their beliefs. If you're not ideological, you are kind of looking at what's going on and being like, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. And if you can move that >> that window.

[00:19:31]>> Yeah. And Facebook had a leaked document and it found that it weighted angry emoji reactions 5x to the plain literal thumbs up. So if you got like one angry that was worth five likes basically.

[00:19:46]>> Entertainment is built to make you feel something.

[00:19:49]>> It's just crazy. And then uh there's another one. So 2024 scientific report study that the uh extinction rebellion protest found that during heated periods bots influenced humans more than humans influenced bots. So users who interacted with bots turn measurably more negative afterwards. And this idea of astrourfing bots >> well yeah no [ __ ] bots don't have an interaction with humans and are like what is my purpose? Why have I been so angry?

[00:20:16]>> But in certain cases you can deal with AIS to like make them become a little bit more negotiable. But but that would come down to the person who's training them and the person who's trying to generate rage is not going to do that.

[00:20:27]>> Exactly. So like you have these bots that are specifically cranked up in volume and manufacturing this fight in the comments to make things seem more crazy than they actually are.

[00:20:38]>> So obviously I hate this and I think it's bad for society, but have we considered making our own bot armies?

[00:20:44]>> Oo. For what?

[00:20:45]>> To tell everyone to chill out.

[00:20:48]>> Do the chill box. tell everybody like, "Hey, just so you know, most most of these things are bots, including me, and you should probably wonder why the most inflammatory language is getting your uh mental dick so hard."

[00:21:00]>> Yeah. I mean, this is kind of a small little bot army right here, >> right? 100%. Dude, >> you meos, David.

[00:21:06]>> The thoughts.

[00:21:06]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:21:07]>> The bots.

[00:21:08]>> Yeah, the fails team. Now, what's crazy is that Facebook has kind of uh at least like tacidly admitted that this is a part of what's going on. So the companies published the numbers straight up. Meta removed 100 million plus Facebook pages in 2024 for fake engagement and impersonation. And then 500,000 accounts actioned for fake spam engagement. 10 million profiles removed for impersonating real creators. And Meta named this tactic plainly. Networks that hijacked comment sections with scripted comments and follows and then began hiding comments flagged as coordinated. And that's just what they caught.

[00:21:43]>> Yeah. which is just crazy because now that these things are getting uh they'll learn how to get around it. AI will learn how to avoid the you know.

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[00:23:30]Now, let's get back to it. So there's a really interesting study from this guy Joseph Bodnar that we're going to talk about later, but he puts the point pretty plainly. He says something that hostile actors don't have to invent outrage anymore. They can find domestic voices and then amplify them. So now you can amplify these people that are already doing this. And so you have like these fake, you know, the fake crowd is the delivery system. So bots don't need to convince you of anything. they can just flood the zone with so much conversation around a topic to make this manufactured consensus feel like the most logical inevitable outcome. Wasn't there something that proved that that kind of happened with Nick Fuentes to some degree?

[00:24:10]>> In what way? I believe there was a lot of bot traffic that like helped elevate him to becoming, you know, obviously he was a fringe voice, but then he was someone that everyone kind of started talking to and a lot of it apparently seemed to be botted traffic during a certain period. Now, from who? For what reason? Was it him? Was it an actor who was just like, "Hey, here's a guy who's got a charisma but is saying crazy things that will, you know, push the American political system to its seams.

[00:24:40]Let's give it a whirl.

[00:24:41]>> Yeah. And who is the one that is pushing that, >> right?

[00:24:44]>> And then like I think like >> is backed by Peter Teal. I don't mean that literally.

[00:24:49]>> I mean, he wishes that, >> which I think the theory with that is like Peter Thiel is like down with transhumanism and is cool. I mean, we talked about Peter Thiel quite a bit on this program. We did. We did.

[00:24:58]>> And I think he's down with transhumanism. So, he's like back in the enhance games.

[00:25:01]>> He's just not down with transhumans, folks. But >> but he's like, >> but you know, he's kind of like post like posth humanity, post sexual, which is where clvicular is perfect because he's like, dude, just have a smooth face and never [ __ ] >> It's like the idea of [ __ ] >> and enhance your body as much as possible using whatever it takes.

[00:25:19]>> Yeah.

[00:25:19]>> And then how long until Clvicular uses a microchip >> and then it's like, oh, nice. Okay, well this is pretty easy. We can convince all these kids like microchips are hot.

[00:25:28]>> Yeah, basically.

[00:25:29]>> And then the enhanced game is basically doing the same thing. just getting these guys >> failed >> to a to a large degree people I mean it was just like >> wise >> yeah what's up >> PR-wise >> yeah I mean I think that just in terms of intrigue it was just like there was a concept and then it didn't come to fruition they didn't get the world records the ones they did were a little sus a bunch of clean athletes won and also I think with the enhanced games I like the idea cuz I grew up steroid era Barry Bonds greatest ever play baseball absolutely loved it but we don't want to watch the people who aren't the best in the world on steroids. See what they can do. Like you want to see what happens when the best of the best are doing cool stuff. But like running and swimming aren't interesting to watch. The reason we watch the Olympics are because a they're the best and b we care about our countries.

[00:26:16]>> Yeah.

[00:26:17]>> You know, if you're watching some like someone who couldn't make the Olympics and is trying to drug their way back to the mean, it's just kind of like and they're just swimming in a [ __ ] pool full of piss in Vegas. It's like whatever. It does have the uh but it is kind of like indicative of just like VC >> Yeah.

[00:26:33]>> like art or like VC events. You know what I mean?

[00:26:36]>> This is the VC version of art.

[00:26:38]>> Yeah. Where it's like all these like VC companies being like, "Hey, we're not going to have a story. This like product that we're going to sell isn't going to be like a grandma that tried to make it in her yard." Like that's what people wanted like 20 years ago. Now they're just like, "Hey, we put in all the money and we're going to make the best possible thing and then we're going to just sell it for as much money as we can."

[00:26:54]>> Depending on what the thing is, that's good.

[00:26:56]>> Well, yeah. But like like a a bowl shop that opens up down the street and they sell protein bowls, >> right?

[00:27:02]>> Like there was a time where it was like this started as my Yeah, >> that's done. And now it's like no, we just found a way to give you the best food as cheap as possible and that and we're going to exit.

[00:27:12]>> But I think that the human reaction to that is to go back to the other thing, >> which is kind of funny because we I mean to an extent are getting good products from these VC companies.

[00:27:21]>> Yeah. But then everyone's like don't give me slop and they're like it's I swear to God it's the best. like you're going to get at a mass scale.

[00:27:27]>> Yeah.

[00:27:28]>> But I think that there's I mean there's a place for both. Like maybe you eat your slop on a Tuesday at noon because you have 10 minutes on your lunch break at your VC, but you know on the weekend you kind of want to get your Anthony Bourdain on and like go to a place that means something and maybe they use a tortilla that has some freaking chemical in it you don't like, but you don't give a [ __ ] because they've been at the corner of that block for a hundred years and you feel like you're connected to history and you're being a human. And that's a thing and that's nice to do.

[00:27:56]You know, it makes you feel good.

[00:27:57]>> And then the VCs are like, we're realizing there's a competitive advantage to actually having a 300y old restaurant helmed by an old Mexican lady. So, we've mass-produced Mexican ladies and we're putting them in every corner of America.

[00:28:10]>> And they're all 500 years old.

[00:28:11]>> Yeah, they're all 500 years old. The oldest aba that actually has ever existed.

[00:28:19]>> She invented the tortilla.

[00:28:20]>> She invented the tortilla theoretically.

[00:28:22]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's basically what it's going to take. But I think this is a bigger trend of just like kind of everything feeling fake.

[00:28:28]And one of the most recent things that everyone's kind of like glossed over was the recent assassination attempt on Trump in 2026 at the White House correspondence dinner. The aftermath is very strange. So, if anyone is doesn't know, which I'm shocked if you wouldn't, April 25th, 2026 at the Washington Hilton, 31-year-old named Cole Allen runs into the correspondence room with a 12- gauge shotgun and uh tries to >> swiftly.

[00:28:51]>> Yeah, he's he's he was hoofing it. And it's a pack room. You got cabinet members, first lady, JD Vance, all these journalists. And uh he fires, hits the Secret Service officer in the chest, the vest held, and then the officer returned fire. Allen goes down. The president, the first lady are evacuated. They survive. Allen is arrested with a shotgun, a pistol, a bunch of knives, and now facing life in prison. Now, he's a 31-year-old Caltech educated engineer and part-time tutor from Torrance, California. What do you know about Torrance, California?

[00:29:18]>> Not a lot. Uh, it's outside of LA, I believe. Oh, damn. They got him in the blankie.

[00:29:23]>> Why' them put him in like a baked potato?

[00:29:26]>> Why is that a part of it? Like, all right, we're going to wrap his pubes.

[00:29:32]>> What the hell is this? He traveled by Amtrak from LA to Chicago to DC, checked into the Hilton the day before and then emailed his family 10 minutes before saying uh Cole Cold force friendly assassin. And uh the weird part of this whole thing is that within hours of his name going public, people found a Twitter account from Henry Ma 5959561893 that was created on December 2023. Pepe the Frog is the profile picture and uh the banner is from a site called Time Machine Europe.

[00:30:04]>> And not only that, but it is a Pepe the Frog in a tuxedo holding a wine glass, which some people feel is correspondency, >> right?

[00:30:14]>> Yeah.

[00:30:14]>> And exactly one post with the name Cole Allen posted on December 22nd, 2023, 2.5 years before the attack, and then nothing else. Now within days it gets like 55 million views like Rogan talks about on his podcast and people are trying to understand what's happening like how is this even possible? Like what does any of this mean? And then people found Cole Allen's LinkedIn listed as a 2014 intern at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Now the same year NASA published an Orion spacecraft paper co-authored by aerospace engineer Henry Martinez matching the same account name on that Twitter account. Now, could be a coincidence. The NASA scientist Martinez and the NASA intern are both at JPL in the same year, Jet Propulsion Lab, and Martinez has this, you know, this different Martinez or the same Martinez has a dormant account that says the name Cole Allen. Now, why is this happening?

[00:31:06]Like, Snopes traced the time machine banner to an unsplashed stock photo circulating since 2021 from a psychedelics blog that used it then in 2022. Now, people on the internet say you can't backdate a post on X. So, this the time stamp of this seems to be accurate and uh it's very strange. So, is it possible this was referencing a different tweet that's now deleted and then that one tweet just stays up there referencing a different Cole Allen? It's not the most unique name in the world, but it's just a strange ripple. And it's one of these things that I think also contributes to this feeling of like, is anything real? Like, how does something happen? And then there's a corresponding thing. Is it just finding patterns?

[00:31:46]>> There's also the possibility of, you know, it's like the if you get a whatever it is, if you get a bunch of monkeys on a keyboard, eventually they'll type a entire work of Shakespeare, >> right? Is that what it is? There's just enough stuff on the internet where people are like >> I do think there is a little bit of that where like we are built to perceive patterns and we've never had as much easily searchable data before in our lives. So now we can just see a pattern wherever we want.

[00:32:09]>> Yeah, that's true. Um, >> and there's a actually a name for that that we're going to get to in a second.

[00:32:14]But it is just interesting to me that this stuff happens and everyone's just kind of like, "All right." And no one really believes it.

[00:32:21]>> Like like that to me, the reaction is interesting.

[00:32:23]>> The assassination is every assassination with Trump. I mean, Butler doesn't even make sense. Like the more we dig into Butler, it's like, "Wait, what?"

[00:32:31]>> Yeah. And that seems to be like the pivotal point in his election campaign where it's like, "Oh, this guy's going to win." Like that one photo.

[00:32:37]>> Yeah. and and the way that they lowered the flag for the camera guys and all that. It's very very very strange and >> just all weird and no one believes anything.

[00:32:46]>> I also the most compelling thing I saw about the whole Butler one was again the the details and nothing has really like come out. Um although uh the guy who left the administration, Joe Kent, I know was uh basically saying he was not allowed to look into the Butler investigation further which is interesting. And I saw some lady who was former MAGA on Twitter tweeting about it and she was like, >> "This made the most sense to me." She's like, "Is it odd to anyone else that the pettiest person of all time has never brought it up ever again?" And the first thing he said at his RNC speech was, "I'm going to tell you this story once and I will never tell it ever again."

[00:33:24]Yeah.

[00:33:24]>> And she was like, "That is a telltale thing you do when you're trying to cover something up or lie cuz the hardest thing to do is keep a lie straight." So the ide who actually did it or tweak out about it ever again or even blame or even blame the left for like say that this guy was of the left and he was a lunatic. No, he's just let it go. That to me is the one thing that I'm like that is the opposite of his behavior for his entire life in every other arena.

[00:33:58]>> He did blame Iran at one point. He did for a bit and then dropped it then bombed him.

[00:34:02]>> Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he held on. But I'm like, how does Iran even get in touch with Matthew Krooks?

[00:34:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

[00:34:11]>> What is the story with that? Like how does that make sense?

[00:34:13]>> This one, there's a tweet that I kind of want to find about this last one. And and I I don't mean to derail us, but it was one of the funniest tweets I've ever seen. And it was a it was just like an analysis of this guy. Yeah. It was uh Captain Crunch on Twitter was just uh it it's a video of him running through and he's just analyzing his attack plan. No smokes, no entry flash, no back of sight peak with AWP from tunnel, just straight P90 R psychoblot dick first at mock [ __ ] >> Basically >> that was it, dude. Dick first at mock [ __ ] >> And if we trust the official story became centimeters away from uh doing it. Yeah. And then immediately the texts went out because they have these like MAGA influencer group chats and immediately the texts went out and told everybody start talking about the ballroom. Talk about the ballroom. And so you had a coordinated push from an entire side of the aisle that was like let's use this to try and get a ballroom made cuz it's something the president cares the most about for some reason.

[00:35:16]>> Yeah. And then well that's apparently a data center and they're building all the surveillance stuff >> which we used to keep secret. Like literally there's like a clip of him and he he's like we're going to build all the secret military things right beneath and I'm like don't say that dude stop.

[00:35:31]He's like we're going to do research aliens. Epstein's going to live down there.

[00:35:35]>> Yeah.

[00:35:35]>> Aliens. Everyone's just going to live under the ballroom.

[00:35:38]>> Yeah. And it just kind of came out like kind of said >> which again is another conspiracy that people are percolating. They're like, "Oh, there's something else with this ballroom." And then Trump just basically confirmed it.

[00:35:46]>> Yeah. It's one of those things where like either everything is a grand conspiracy or we're letting a crazy 80-year-old run things.

[00:35:52]>> Maybe it's both.

[00:35:53]>> Yeah, maybe. And it seems like most people within MAGA, maybe not most, but many people within MAGA also don't really support this theory. So like Tucker Carlson suggested that the FBI lied about the shooter's online footprint. Marjorie Taylor Green until recently, one of Trump's most loyal allies, posted multiple statements on X, questioning the official story and accusing Trump of covering it up, saying that the entire thing doesn't pass the smell test. Candace Owens blamed Miriam Add, this uh, you know, Israeli American billionaire and Republican donor of secretly orchestrating it. And so even people within like the coalition are now or at least formerly within the coalition at one point are now also being like, "Hey, this is all fugazi."

[00:36:30]>> And this is how everyone views everything. There was I mean a week ago there was another shooting at the White House and I saw I like opened up the thread like as it happened and I swear to God it was alternating comments.

[00:36:43]Radical left lunatic obviously every time Trump's poll number slips he gets shot. Clear conspiracy. This was definitely Israel. This was definitely Iran. Wink wink says Netanyahu. It was literally every single group.

[00:36:58]>> Yeah.

[00:36:58]>> Blaming a different group and just saying this is for sure what it is.

[00:37:02]>> But notice no one blaming the person that is confirmed by the report to have been the person that did it.

[00:37:08]>> It's too easy.

[00:37:09]>> Which is just that's >> a perfect crime.

[00:37:12]>> That to me is like the underlying thing here that things happen. The most documented assassination attempt in history undoubtedly and most people don't believe it. I have a stat in here somewhere. I got to find it later. Like I think it was something like 70 to 75% of people don't believe the official story of the either assassination attempt.

[00:37:30]>> Yeah.

[00:37:31]>> I think the one the court >> for totally different reasons.

[00:37:33]>> Yeah.

[00:37:34]>> And like some people blame the left and other people blame Iran and other people blame what like no one thinks it was just this guy acting alone which is what the official report found >> right >> and people would say like oh well there's no way that this would happen.

[00:37:46]You know what I mean? like like a false flag or somehow planting some type of fake thing to like change people's psychologies and like perpetuate this thing that's not real. But there is some evidence. 1962 a US joint chiefs of staff, the highest ranking military officials in the country drafted a top secret document called Operation Northwoods. You ever heard of this?

[00:38:06]>> Mhm. It was signed by the chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and it laid out in bure bureaucratic sort of legal ease a series of proposed false flag terrorist attacks against American citizens to be blamed on Cuba in order to manufacture public support for an invasion. Those proposals included sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, bombing American cities, shooting down a remotec controlled plane disguised as a passenger plane, staging a fake attack on Guantanamo Bay. President JFK rejected the plan and this document, the doc document specifically remained classified for 35 years until 1997 when it was then declassified. You can just feel how far the country has come where they thought that a false flag would be sinking a boat of Cuban refugees whereas these days the administration would do it >> and be cheered on.

[00:38:57]>> Yeah. Not even a false flag.

[00:38:58]>> No, it's they've been blowing up boats.

[00:39:00]>> Yeah, they just did that. They just they just say fentinel >> and then invaded Venezuela.

[00:39:04]>> Yeah.

[00:39:05]>> Kind of crazy.

[00:39:05]>> Yeah, that's is insane.

[00:39:07]>> And so and that's not the only time. So you have that and then you have COINTEL Pro, FBI's secret illegal program to surveil and discredit civil rights leaders exposed in 1971 when activists physically broke into the FBI office and stole the files.

[00:39:19]>> Right.

[00:39:20]>> And then you have >> that because that's where they they got they caught Martin slipping.

[00:39:24]>> Yeah. Wait, Martin.

[00:39:25]>> Martin Luther King Jr. Didn't they like frame him or like you know monitor him >> texting a [ __ ] side piece? All of them were monitored. Like all of them were monitored and like they attempted to discredit them, find anything on them to be like, "Oh yeah, these people are all unreliable. You can't trust them.

[00:39:41]These are bad moral actors. Like throw them out."

[00:39:43]>> Crazy.

[00:39:44]>> And the government was like actively trying to do that. And those >> I have a dream that one day my real [ __ ] and my side [ __ ] >> will be kept separate and the government will stay out of it.

[00:39:57]>> [ __ ] Let him cook. He's a great man.

[00:40:00]>> Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong. You can have a church piece and a state piece.

[00:40:04]>> Separation.

[00:40:05]>> Yeah.

[00:40:05]>> Church and ski.

[00:40:09]>> Yeah. Church and street.

[00:40:10]>> Yeah. Yeah. There it is.

[00:40:12]>> Church and street.

[00:40:12]>> Separation of church and street. 100%.

[00:40:14]>> Um, >> back in the day, everyone was doing it back then. Kennedy was doing it, pretending like it was just him. Get the [ __ ] out of here.

[00:40:20]>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. 41% of Americans that heard the theory that Democrats orchestrated the shooting. Uh, 53% have heard the theory that Republicans staged it themsself. and uh between like 30 to 40% thought that one or the other was plausible. So more than a quarter of the country on either side is now operating from a baseline assumption that these assassination attempts were faked.

[00:40:43]>> Which is how you know dead internet theory has won because we've been pushed so far and radicalized so far that before there's no amount of information that will change a lot of people's minds, >> right?

[00:40:54]>> Including me sometimes.

[00:40:55]>> Yeah.

[00:40:55]>> Like even that one I'm like I don't know what happened but it seems weird.

[00:40:59]>> Yeah. I mean to invoke Hitchens, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason into.

[00:41:03]>> Oo.

[00:41:04]>> You know, so if you just hear something, you're like, "Oh, that's feels right to me." No amount of data is going to make them be like, "No, actually, I changed my mind." Yeah.

[00:41:11]>> You're just going to stick with the thing that feels right.

[00:41:13]>> Yeah.

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[00:42:47]Now, there's another case that happened that is maybe the craziest ripple in this whole thing in my opinion, but it didn't happen in America, so no one really knew about it. Happened in Slovakia and uh it's pretty wild.

[00:42:58]There's a journalist named Monica Tadova. Teddova is a reporter at an independent Slovak newspaper named Denick N. And she's well known in her country and according to research from the investigative center of Yan Kushak.

[00:43:11]She was the single most attacked journalist in Slovakia in the months leading up to the September 2023 parliamentary election. Smeir campaigns, hate speech, surveillance, all that stuff. And then 2 days before the election, they have something in Slovakia where you have like a silence period where you can't publish or like release articles relating to the election for two days to like create silence. Someone releases an audio file and in it Toadova could be heard having a phone call with a politician named Mikall Simicheka Simicheka, the head of the liberal progressive Slovakia party.

[00:43:43]And they were discussing how the two of them could work together to rig the election. And they were like, "Look, we're going to buy votes from the Roma.

[00:43:50]We're going to manipulate ballots." And the craziest part, >> I was going to ask for a photo of her.

[00:43:55]I'm not going to lie. The whole time I was like, "Is she a piece?"

[00:43:58]>> And survey says >> she's a piece of corruption.

[00:44:02]>> Well, that's what's crazy about this is that the conversation that leaked never happened. Oh, it was an AI generated deep fake and the audio was fully synthetic, but it was good enough and the timing two days before the vote fell within Slovak's mandated election coverage silence period, meaning that the press was legally prohibited from debunking it before the voters went to the poll.

[00:44:21]>> Cuz I I literally was like, "That sounds like such a good idea." And then I was like, "But it's also such a downside to there's so much green field to just drop a [ __ ] ball." There you go. Um, >> tens of thousands of people heard it before any correction could be issued.

[00:44:35]And then Seamyanka's party lost and they lost to a more pro-Russian candidate named Robert Fo who had been trailing in the polls before this deep deep fake surfaced. Now, I can only wonder if you're going to bring this back to AI in a very recent American election ad or do you want me to do it?

[00:44:55]>> Well, you do it.

[00:44:56]>> Okay. Did you hear much about the Kentucky race with Thomas Massie?

[00:45:02]>> Yeah, I mean >> Trump wanted out.

[00:45:05]Massie was going with really files and he was going >> wanted him out and they actually it became the most I believe the most expensive uh congressional election in American history because Apac spent a ton of money. And one of the key ads in it was an ad that used AI that was saying Thomas Massie was in a throppple with the squad. And so it showed him like checking into a hotel with Ilhan Omar and AOC. And it like if you're a mildly intelligent person, you're kind of like they're doing a metaphor or something. Wow. But the main people who broke for the candidate Trump installed basically who's no one's ever heard of.

[00:45:48]>> Um, uh, a lot of them were like, "Yeah, well, I liked Massie, but you know, he had that thing with those two women."

[00:45:55]Because they're like 70year-old people in Kentucky whose brains don't know how to process AI and they just [ __ ] fizzled out. And >> Wow. Now, let the record show it's not just Kentucky that would fall for this.

[00:46:04]Like, this would probably this would probably work in any state in America.

[00:46:07]>> Oh, totally. And by evidence of this, I mean, it worked in Slovakia and those people are smart.

[00:46:11]>> Yeah. It's just like old like AI is tough for everybody, but for old people, it's like truly unfair.

[00:46:17]>> Oh, yeah. I mean, I I have some folks >> like using a bazooka on a baby. They're just like, what?

[00:46:23]>> What do you mean that that polar bear didn't save that penguin?

[00:46:27]>> Yeah.

[00:46:28]>> And hug it.

[00:46:29]>> Yeah.

[00:46:29]>> And then >> I've seen old dudes in coffee shops just listening to AI videos out loud being like, "No way.

[00:46:34]>> No way." And I can it's you can obviously hear it's AI if you have any like literacy with the stuff but like >> but you don't >> for him he's just like yeah >> and there's going to be weirder [ __ ] when we're old we're going to be cooked in in new and weird unfathomable ways.

[00:46:47]>> I mean we're already almost cooked.

[00:46:48]There's a study that was done that shows how frequently people can detect AI voices and AI videos and uh >> Oh the results will shock you. It's I think that the most helpful thing to do is like when something seems ridiculous, anything seems ridiculous, just be like if that doesn't feel real, it might not be.

[00:47:08]>> Yeah. Now, the question is who released this audio footage? Like that's completely anonymous or like the audio file to like frame this person and the journalist and basically get them out of there. NATO's strategic communications center of excellence later noted that just over an hour before the deep fake went viral, Russia's foreign intelligence service issued a press release naming Semena by name and accusing the US of trying to influence Slovakia's election.

[00:47:30]>> We did it.

[00:47:31]>> That's what they that's what Russia says.

[00:47:33]>> Oh, that is what Russia would say cuz they always say it's them too.

[00:47:36]>> And every interview that Tova gave afterwards, she had to start with the same explanation. This conversation is not real. That's not my voice. It is purely a fabrication. And no matter how many times she said it, there was a percentage of the population that heard the audio and then the correction second and the audio was what stuck.

[00:47:50]>> Wow.

[00:47:51]>> Now, there's one that happened uh this was in like a race in Alabama. It was Roy. What's that guy? Roy something.

[00:47:57]>> Oh, yeah. I forgot about him.

[00:47:59]>> That was I forget his name. He had all sorts of crazy accusations, I think. But he uh this specific case was interesting cuz it's not the exact same thing, but it's similar enough. It was documented in The Great Hack on Netflix where uh also the name of your new special.

[00:48:11]>> Okay. No, it's not my new special. Joey Avery live in San Francisco. It's out on YouTube right now. Let's get it over 100K.

[00:48:17]>> Oh, yeah. Roy Moore. So, >> yes.

[00:48:19]>> So, basically, there was this big election, right? I think it was this one in 2017. And there's a guy who went and bought Facebook ads and the Facebook ads he was basically saying like, "Vote for uh Roy Moore because he's going to make alcohol illegal in Alabama." Roy Moyes Roy Moore is obviously like Republican Christian more conservative and they were like he's going to ban alcohol and then all like the moderate right-leaning people were like hey maybe uh we shouldn't vote for this guy because like we don't love Doug Jones the Democrat.

[00:48:55]>> Yeah.

[00:48:55]>> Damn Democrat but he's going to at least let us have alcohol. And so by using a fake thing they were able >> fake positive ad is the best.

[00:49:02]>> They were able to push people to the left and vote for Doug Jones. Wow.

[00:49:06]>> And based off the data that they published in the great hack, it was like he reached like something like 30 million pe no, it was probably closer to like 3 million or some [ __ ] I think it was like three million people. And like if you could just influence one of them, this race was so close that like that 1% that might have been influenced by that Facebook ad would have been enough to flip the election.

[00:49:24]>> It's a race to the bottom.

[00:49:25]>> Crazy. Right now, the uh what's wild is that you have the correction that comes after, but at that point it's too late and that's just what it is. And uh it's interesting because like there's just this sort of like energy of I don't know like skepticism, >> unbelief of anything on the internet. At least that's how I feel. I just don't believe anything. Like I see stuff and I'm like I'll engage with it and I kind of like try to understand it, but like I don't I just I can't believe anything.

[00:49:53]>> Yeah.

[00:49:54]>> Like someone like my mom will send me like my dad will be like you see what mom Donnie did and I'm like whatever you are sending me I'm just not going to believe off rip until I really like dig into it. And even like at at a much lower stakes level, like my wife will show me like these people who do couples content and I'm like this is all staged.

[00:50:12]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:12]>> Like it'll be like, "Oh, look. I'm going to do this to my husband." He's like, "What are you doing back there?" And I'm like, "This is he's a bad actor."

[00:50:19]>> And then she's like, "I'm not going to show you anything anymore." I'm like, "I'm sorry." Well, that happens on Facebook the most. Like you'll see like an 8 minute Facebook video of like me pranking my wife and it's like 7 minutes of him setting up this prank.

[00:50:31]>> Yeah. And then the wife is like and it's that and then there's the rage bait of like the health [ __ ] She started watching this lady called Mother >> Mhm.

[00:50:41]>> on on TikTok and she's just this crazy lady and she just throws all these like things into a bowl and she doesn't cut anything. So she'll just throw like an entire gourd into a bowl with all these spices and it masquerades. It's like this is how you be healthy. And it's like none of this is useful at all. It's just built to shock you and then all of a sudden you're like, "Oh my god, I've never seen this before." And then you watch 10 videos and in your head you're like, "Why have I been cutting my squashes when I could just put them in here with a bunch of seasoning and turmeric and like >> and it's all bullshit."

[00:51:13]>> Yeah. And that's I don't know. That's the part that like And it's terrible once you have a kid. I mean, the amount of content my wife gets where it's just like >> because like here's how you should be a mother.

[00:51:22]>> Yeah. And I told my wife something that I actually think is helpful advice because obviously >> shut the [ __ ] up.

[00:51:29]No, I said if you >> Just kidding. We love you, ladies.

[00:51:33]>> If anything scares you on the internet, see if they're selling something.

[00:51:38]>> Yeah. And if they're selling something, you don't have to listen to it. Yeah.

[00:51:41]>> Because there's so many times where it's like, if you're wearing these shoes, your child will have hip dysplasia. And then it'll show like a video of a kid like in [ __ ] Fallujah with his legs blown off and they're like, "This is my kid because I wore these wrong shoes."

[00:51:54]And then you scroll enough through the carousel and it's like buy these shoes with my promo code and I'm like >> anything they're selling and it's built to prey off your emotions. And one of the emotions is especially as a parent, I'm not being perfect. What am I [ __ ] up? Like I want to be good at this. And health is the same way. What am I doing wrong? How do I do this?

[00:52:13]>> And like the actual advice is so simple, but simple doesn't sell. I can't sell you blueberries and tell you they're good for antioxidants. I don't have a code for blueberries. But if it's a pill that you shove up your ass that only I make.

[00:52:26]>> Have you checked in on Liver King recently, by the way?

[00:52:28]>> No. How's he doing?

[00:52:29]>> Oh my god. So bad.

[00:52:31]>> He's doing the worst of anyone I've ever seen doing.

[00:52:35]>> Can we check it out?

[00:52:35]>> It's so bad. He is He has entered I think like a druginduced psychosis of some kind. Some kind. As his engagement falls off, he's just gets weirder and weirder.

[00:52:46]>> Like his Instagram. Click on >> his Instagram. His son is dropping a rap track now. That's bizarre. Yeah, click that one.

[00:52:52]>> Um, not that one. Click go I literally looked at his page yesterday because I was like, "What's happening?" Go to his page. I will show you.

[00:52:58]>> If you click on that, it'll take you right.

[00:52:59]>> Yeah, go to his Instagram and I'll I'll give you a good Cuz that's a collab post with his son. It's not as interesting as you think. Yeah, cuz that's old Liver King. What we need is modernday Liver King. Scroll down a little bit.

[00:53:13]>> Um, yeah. Any Actually, go to that one with uh that one with 1.2 million there.

[00:53:18]This will be a good This will be a good cuz that's the best engagement he's got in a while.

[00:53:23]>> But here's what he's up to.

[00:53:24]>> Okay. He's walking through a club >> to get the early morning sun through the eyes on the face on get the grounded into the earth primals. That's the way to do it. Life's a party and you can hate.

[00:53:41]You can hate me. Fine.

[00:53:44]Um because I'm having fun and I'm inviting you to the same party. Here's what's most important. Here's uh the message I wanted to This just happened.

[00:53:54]Uh someone was like, "Uh, how's it going?" And I'm like, "Oh god, don't make me do that, stupid. Uh you're not really asking a question." And so, okay, here it goes. Uh I'm having a record year. But I actually just say I'm having a record year. I'm That's true. I I am.

[00:54:13]Ah, this makes me sad.

[00:54:16]>> Time uh ask questions that ma matter for if you don't want to honor your own time, you you think about honoring the other person's time and then uh what kind of year are you going to have? Can you call your shot?

[00:54:31]>> All right. All right. All right.

[00:54:32]>> Yeah. Well, the problem is like he needs an intervention and the people in his life are not capable of like they're still somehow drafting off whatever clout remains and it's like dude this guy needs to like go to like a facility.

[00:54:44]He was trying to fight Joe Rogan for >> Yeah, I remember this. He went down to Austin. I just it makes me sad because like he's got kids and [ __ ] I'm like oh man. And it's like he's too much of a cash cow and like too much of a celeb for people to like pull off of it. But it's like you got to we got to let go of Liver King and you got to be Brian again.

[00:55:02]>> Yeah. I was going to say society has let go but he cannot.

[00:55:05]>> Yeah, >> he cannot.

[00:55:07]>> I mean it's maybe this is a scup though.

[00:55:09]Maybe he got MK Ultra.

[00:55:11]>> Did he might have?

[00:55:12]>> Maybe they try to get >> big pharma was like liver is too healthy.

[00:55:15]>> That's what I'm saying, dude.

[00:55:16]>> Dude, the liver and bone marrows. It's weird cuz it started off like kind of reasonable and then it just it just got [ __ ] insane. Like >> he was super based for the first year.

[00:55:24]He was like >> he was lying. He was lying about >> but he was like, "Dude, eat liver and you'll look good." And that's >> not the worst advice. It's probably uh hamfisted, but maybe true.

[00:55:33]>> This is what I try to explain to people who are like new into the health space is like the supplements did not make the person jacked. They found someone who was jacked that you would buy supplements from.

[00:55:46]>> I mean, Nathan Fielder proved this pretty exquisitly, Nathan, for you.

[00:55:49]>> Did he?

[00:55:49]>> I don't know if you saw.

[00:55:50]>> He's the best ever.

[00:55:51]>> So, he tries to help a moving company and he goes, "Hey, the guys that move these boxes, like they're probably getting a good workout. So why don't you market moving boxes as a health trend and then people are now paying you to move boxes and then now you're double dipping. So you're getting the boxes moved for the people are paying you and then you're getting the other people to pay to do it. And so now it's like it's a great thing. And he found a guy that was roided up at a bodybuilding convention be like you're going to be the face of this. Yeah.

[00:56:17]>> And then he got him on like Good Morning America and like all these like local news channels to like promote like moving boxes and he's like yeah I got this physique from moving boxes. And it's obviously absurd because you're seeing it from our side, but if you're just watching the morning news and this guy's like, "Yeah, I got jacked moving boxes." You'd be like, >> "Maybe."

[00:56:32]>> And in your mind, you're like, I mean, it's a natural thing. We've always done it. It's full body workout. It's legs.

[00:56:38]It's upper. It's a little anorobic.

[00:56:39]Like, >> and you just you're just we're so dumb.

[00:56:43]Yeah.

[00:56:43]>> And it that's what's unfixable. Yeah.

[00:56:45]>> Is we're so dumb. And it's really that we're not meant to be exposed to all of this. So, we've set up systems to trick our primitive minds.

[00:56:54]>> We literally should just be hitting each other in the head with sticks >> or hammers in our chins.

[00:56:59]>> Yes, dude. [ __ ] bone smashing.

[00:57:02]>> So, I guess the question we need to land on is do people believe everything or do people believe nothing? I can't really tell.

[00:57:07]>> Depends on the person.

[00:57:09]>> Well, a 2025 poll from Change Research says they asked people about a bunch of different conspiracy theories, like a massive sample, and they were like, "Which of these do you believe?" 83% said that US leaders excuse human rights abuses abroad to protect political and business interests.

[00:57:23]>> All right. Yeah.

[00:57:24]>> 82% said the CIA had assassinated foreign leaders.

[00:57:27]>> Probably definitely true. 75% Jeffrey Epstein said Jeffrey Epstein was murdered to protect powerful people.

[00:57:33]>> Tracks. 74% said the mainstream media takes orders from elites to on what to cover.

[00:57:39]>> Mhm.

[00:57:40]>> Probably. 60% said the CIA has assassinated American political figures.

[00:57:44]>> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now you take those numbers and like all the lowest number was 60%.

[00:57:50]>> Yeah.

[00:57:50]>> And it's like okay well MLK was obviously killed by the CIA, >> right?

[00:57:54]>> JFK was most certainly I mean >> RFK too. Yeah, >> probably. Now you're looking at this and you're like this is not a fringe number.

[00:58:01]These are super majorities, >> right?

[00:58:03]>> Like most people don't believe and again the the official story on all these things is the opposite.

[00:58:09]>> I was going to say we don't like actually have proof for a smoking gun for any of them, right? No, I mean like circumstantially you could look at JFK and be like, well, it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald who did it. Who knows? But probably not that guy, but that guy that's connected to the CIA that's living in Russia. I don't know. Now, it's one of these things where you look at and you're like, sorry, this is an aside, but I wanted to learn more about the JFK assassination cuz I'd heard that like the story is like not, you know, legit.

[00:58:34]>> Yeah, it's crazy.

[00:58:35]>> So, I went and I was like in a bookstore and I saw a book about it. And so, I bought it and I was I was like living in South Africa at the time. I like bring it to the beach and I'm like I'm going to get read in on this and the book that I bought was like literally like the like like Harding Commission like government report that no one trusts.

[00:58:52]>> Oh, the Warren Commission.

[00:58:53]>> The Warren Commission. So, I just have this like this like hardback version of the Warren Commission report that no one believes. I'm reading it on a beach in Africa like I'm going to be [ __ ] learning so much [ __ ] And then I get like halfway through and everyone's like, "Yeah, that's bullshit." I'm like, "Oh my god." Not even being performative, right? Yeah. Well, I have a couple podcasts I could send you on this exact topic, but you >> Yes, exactly. And uh >> why JFK was killed by the first gay alien Nazi.

[00:59:25]>> I mean, it is absurd. If you were to read the Warrant Commission, you'd be like, "Okay, so one bullet came out of this gun like 300 ft away. Went through JFK's head and then into his chest and into Conny's shoulder, into his arm, and then into his thigh and then was put on his stretcher when he was getting put into the hospital."

[00:59:41]>> I think there was an extra bullet in in RFK, too. Dude, the Kennedys maybe just Maybe they should make bullets.

[00:59:46]>> Yeah, >> maybe they >> I mean, yeah, they should get in the biz. I mean, at least profit off of it.

[00:59:52]>> Magic bullets. But it's just crazy that most people don't believe in this [ __ ] Like they don't believe in anything.

[00:59:58]>> Yeah.

[00:59:58]>> And I think it's pos it's possible that like it's just too hard to like process things. Like there's just so much out there that it's like to dig into the JFK thing. You had to buy a fugazi book in South Africa, >> right?

[01:00:09]>> And so like that took time and effort.

[01:00:12]And it's also like the stakes of like if you've ever worked at a company and you understand like how people at a higherup deal with an issue that reflects poorly on them. It's like the the immediate thing isn't like guess we got to tell everyone. It's like how do we do the least amount of damage to our overall organization and narrative? Yeah.

[01:00:34]>> And we do it by covering [ __ ] up.

[01:00:36]>> Yeah. And human nature.

[01:00:38]>> It just been the case forever. I mean like conspiracy has been like a deepseated in like the human psyche all the way, you know, before Caesar, you know what I mean? Like but it's now it's just everything's available.

[01:00:48]>> Yeah. Did like Native Americans have conspiracies?

[01:00:51]>> Yeah. They thought the mountains talked to them.

[01:00:57]>> It's an interesting theory. I mean, maybe maybe animism has strong roots. I don't know. I've never heard of mountain.

[01:01:04]>> I've listened to The Rock, but it tequila.

[01:01:09]Buy my teramana.

[01:01:11]>> Now in 2018, two law professors named Robert Chzn and Danielle Sat Trump published a paper in the California Law Review that introduced a concept called the liars dividend. Now the thesis once the public knows that videos can be faked, audio can be cloned, and images can be generated. Once deep fakes are real and known to be real, anyone caught on camera doing anything that they don't want to be doing can simply claim that the record is fake. Now the burden of truth or the burden of proof rather is inverted.

[01:01:38]Instead of needing to prove that something is true, the public has to prove it's not fabricated.

[01:01:43]And so the people who benefit the most from this are the ones that have the most to hide, >> right?

[01:01:48]>> Because there's a clip of you saying the nword. Obviously, we've all seen it.

[01:01:51]>> That's not that's >> true at all.

[01:01:53]>> And that's exactly what you would say.

[01:01:55]And you say it's a deep fake, right?

[01:01:58]>> It's crazy, right? Yeah, >> like anyone that has any type of slip up like Morgan Wallen's Edward debacle, like if that happened today, he'd just be like, "That's not true."

[01:02:09]>> And and it probably would be believed at least by the people that need to believe it the most, which Jar's fans >> that were kind of ambivalent to it anyway.

[01:02:16]>> But if you can just be like, "Yeah, this is a deep fake. Doesn't matter."

[01:02:18]>> Yeah.

[01:02:18]>> Crazy.

[01:02:20]>> And that's only going to happen more and more.

[01:02:22]>> So UNESCO in late 2025 described humanity as approaching the point they call a synthetic reality threshold. a point where humans can no longer distinguish authentic from fabricated media without technological assistance.

[01:02:33]So, a Stanford study found that human beings can correctly identify highquality AI generated voice clones 24% of the time.

[01:02:41]>> Worse than a coin flip.

[01:02:43]>> And that's now.

[01:02:44]>> Yeah. So, when something happens like a shooting or a death or a viral tweet, >> what's up my nword?

[01:02:52]>> Hello.

[01:02:53]>> Oh, that's good.

[01:02:54]>> Thank you.

[01:02:55]This is how Stephen talking.

[01:02:58]>> Yeah.

[01:02:59]>> I learned that from Casey Rocket.

[01:03:01]>> Oh, you just suck it in.

[01:03:02]>> Yeah. Whoa.

[01:03:04]>> That's not how I learned it.

[01:03:05]>> Yeah.

[01:03:06]>> He just taught me.

[01:03:06]>> That was the trade-off.

[01:03:07]>> Yeah. He just told me how to do it.

[01:03:09]>> Yeah. You just breathe in while you do it. Hello, my name is Peter Hawking.

[01:03:16]>> That's good.

[01:03:16]>> I want to have young children.

[01:03:20]>> Okay, >> that's what Stephen Hawking said.

[01:03:22]>> Clip that. Clip that, please. I'll post it directly to my page.

[01:03:25]>> Those AI those AI >> former host of camp no >> says this will take it over >> about to be campus.

[01:03:34]>> Now you know this guy Joseph Bodnar that I mentioned before is an analyst at the Institute of Strategic Dialogue described the foreign interference strategy in one sentence. This is the thing I talked about before. They're picking up these domestic actors and then amplifying them. And so you have an information environment that's mostly not human. The institutions have a documented history of lying. Northwoods goelp pro. The technology to fabricate anything now exists and is relatively cheap. And the foreign actors who want to accelerate your distrust don't need to create content anymore. They can just find what you already believe and then amplify the voices around them. And each one of those things is now compounding on top of each other while the algorithms on top of that, you know, push that stuff harder and harder because it helps keep people engaged.

[01:04:18]>> Yeah. It's a convergence of all the worst traits of human nature.

[01:04:23]>> Yeah.

[01:04:24]>> All for money.

[01:04:24]>> Yep.

[01:04:25]>> And power also. Now there is a uh an a desire for human beings to find through lines. This is the thing that you talked about before apophenia. And this is the human tendency to find meaningful patterns in random data. Now the the now this is where it's interesting because like you see like a face in the clouds and you're like oh that's a face. You know like you're finding connections with things that don't have any relative connection. And that's how a lot of people will discredit conspiracy.

[01:04:50]There's like, oh yeah, this is just, you know, a connection. Apenia, you're just finding an element.

[01:04:55]>> Trot that word out a lot though because I feel like people don't know that. And if you throw that out, they're going to be like, you're smart.

[01:05:00]>> Apenia. You might just be engaging in a people be what? Well, you know, as a human being, you're going to probably perceive meaningful patterns.

[01:05:07]>> Exactly. This data.

[01:05:08]>> Now, the opposite of apophenia is also a failure mechanism. Like if you're not noticing any patterns, that's also a, you know, real quick way to go extinct, >> right? So the opposite of seeing patterns is, you know, missing patterns when they're real. So like refusing to acknowledge Operation Northwoods is like a real document that was at least thrown out allegedly.

[01:05:29]>> Uh refusing to see like MK Ultra really existed, Tuskegee medical experiments actually existed that like deep fakes can like swing elections in Slovakia and like not think that that could happen here. So like there has to be a certain level where it's like okay well do you just find patterns in everything or should you just reject every pattern because you don't want to be a phenic >> right >> and it's like all right well what do you do so and if you reject every pattern the outgrowth is just like always supporting the status quo and there's safety in that hope is like >> oh people are trying their best and you know the world's a mess and >> yeah now how do we deal with this you >> I think we blow it all nuke ourselves.

[01:06:10]>> I mean, you had a good theory of just kind of going and uh, you know, touching grass.

[01:06:14]>> Yeah. I I think I think I don't know. I don't know if it fixes the problem, but I think in terms of you you have to clean up your side of the street first and in your own life, if you just spend your whole time getting wound up about the fake things in the fake world, then you will go crazy.

[01:06:29]>> Yes.

[01:06:29]>> And so, you need to go charge in reality.

[01:06:32]>> Yes. I think that is uh Yeah, I think that is completely true.

[01:06:36]>> Yeah. But you still should be engaged with what's going on so that you can understand things because this stuff is affecting our elections.

[01:06:42]>> Yeah. I mean, also it's just affecting like your ability to operate a human being like existing within these destabilizing environments for hours on end which most people are probably spending like upwards of five or six hours on the low end. Some up to like 15 18 hours in this digital environment that is extremely toxic and uh destabilizing.

[01:07:00]>> Yeah. If you're spending 15 to 18 hours at once online, I have one prescription for you. You need to go have sex with a real human being. A real human. And And maybe you're I'm not good at that.

[01:07:11]Exactly. That's the problem. Spend all your time trying to do that. That might start at the gym. That could start at the gym.

[01:07:17]>> That could start with a, you know, >> bone hammer to the face.

[01:07:20]>> 100%. A bone hammer to the face, but >> you can't just be online that much and expect to be normal.

[01:07:27]>> Yes. Now, there are a couple little uh tools that I think people can use that I try to use. And the first is trying to draw a distinction between skepticism and cynicism. So skepticism would be like, hey, what is the evidence for the claim? And being willing to up sort of update your beliefs based on that.

[01:07:44]Cynicism is the practice of assuming that everything is a lie.

[01:07:47]>> And I think that like skepticism is is the tool. Cynicism is like the posture.

[01:07:51]>> Yeah.

[01:07:52]>> Skepticism can be really helpful. It kind of keeps you tethered to reality, whereas cynicism just kind of makes you, I think, angry and bitter and like completely distrusting of anything around you.

[01:08:00]>> Yeah. And that doesn't work.

[01:08:01]>> No. The second is probabilistic thinking. You don't have to decide if something is true or not true in the moment the second you see it, but just ascribing probabilities to it. So like you can be like, "All right, this is 70% likely. This is 30% likely." You can be like, "I don't know." And just find more information. You don't have to immediately jump to a conclusion of every piece of data that you come across.

[01:08:20]>> Yeah.

[01:08:20]>> Which a lot of people aren't comfortable with. I for whatever reason kind of okay with it.

[01:08:25]>> Just saying like, "Yeah, that might be true."

[01:08:26]>> Literally like is God real? I'm like for me 95%.

[01:08:31]>> Yeah. That's a pretty hefty [ __ ] >> That's how I feel. 95%. And I don't need to justify it. I just go 95%.

[01:08:37]>> Do people within your faith take umbrage with the 5%? Because faith is like the number one thing.

[01:08:43]>> I don't know.

[01:08:45]>> I'm just like that's how I feel. Yeah.

[01:08:47]Now like like in descending order, it's like okay well like is Christ the Lord?

[01:08:51]I'm like let's go like 93%. Like is the Catholic Church the best way to interface with it? I'm like let's go like 85%.

[01:08:58]>> Okay.

[01:08:58]>> And that's how I feel.

[01:08:59]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:09:00]>> And for other people, those percentages might be different, but like that's how I deal with all media where like I'll see some it's like, "Mom, Donnie," I'm like, "All right, let's just put a percentage to this. I don't have to give it to this binary."

[01:09:09]>> Yeah. And also doing follow-up research and checking multiple sources. And as much as people want to be like the damn legacy media, like journalistic places, if you if you see something that you're skeptical of, but a place with journalistic standards has confirmed it, you're on pretty good firming footing.

[01:09:25]>> I think so. And that is the third point layering. Yeah.

[01:09:27]>> Trying to find not just one outlet but multiple different outlets to then aggregate information >> and make sure it's not just an outlet that is AI.

[01:09:36]>> Yeah.

[01:09:36]>> That is every time I search something like the Hindustan Times pops up and it's just like respitting back at me the thing that I searched and I'm like did you just write this article? What the >> I'm like score of Giants game and it's like the Giants always play. What is happening?

[01:09:52]But yeah, I think those are like uh maybe maybe the three best things. And I think the fourth thing is I would include what you said, which is just like deal with what you can control.

[01:10:01]>> Yeah, >> that's what I try to do.

[01:10:02]>> Keep it in its box. You're you're you're going to feel weird about things because you're exposed to things that you were never supposed to see.

[01:10:11]>> Yeah.

[01:10:12]>> And you do have to take an active uh stewardship in your own mental health.

[01:10:17]Yeah. And it requires logging off sometimes.

[01:10:20]>> Yeah. And for some people it's hard because it's like oh my whole job I work in social media da da da >> both of us.

[01:10:25]>> Yeah. And it is hard and >> and and you go through phases where you're better and worse. Like sometimes I'll be like looking at you know like get in bed I go to set my alarm and then I'm like scrolling and then I've just scrolled pre-bed. Not good. Other times it's like I'm reading a book every night. Yeah. And that's better.

[01:10:40]>> Yeah. And you're like yeah Lee Harvey Oswald did kill this guy >> 100%.

[01:10:44]>> Yeah.

[01:10:44]>> And he did act alone. The Warren Commission is actually one of the best commissions that was ever commissioned.

[01:10:52]Yeah. And that's >> Was it led by Alan Dulles who was humiliated by JFK and ousted out of the CIA? Yeah, >> it's highly possible.

[01:10:58]>> That is true. But that doesn't matter.

[01:11:01]>> We all have our spots. Yeah.

[01:11:03]>> You know, no one's perfect.

[01:11:05]>> No.

[01:11:05]>> And I I just want to say that I believe the Warren Commission >> and I believe Allan Dles.

[01:11:11]>> Yeah. 100%.

[01:11:12]>> I believe in his airport.

[01:11:13]>> And I do. Yeah.

[01:11:14]>> It is crazy. We have JFK airport and then we also have Dulles airport.

[01:11:20]>> Yeah, >> the guy that was killed and the guy that killed him.

[01:11:23]>> That is pretty a couple cities.

[01:11:25]>> That is pretty.

[01:11:26]>> American history is awesome, dude.

[01:11:27]>> Yeah, it is. It is. It sure is. It's a [ __ ] mess. But is any place not >> I mean I guess we're more ironic about it. Like there are many Kennedys that have died in plane crashes and then we named the airport JFK.

[01:11:41]>> Yeah. Well, it's better than naming the lake.

[01:11:44]Yeah.

[01:11:46]Just makes me a little uncomfortable, you know.

[01:11:48]>> You don't want to fly into JFK.

[01:11:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:11:51]>> Cuz something already flew into JFK.

[01:11:54]>> So it just feels like insult to injury to me.

[01:11:58]>> Just taking off from a grassy null.

[01:12:00]>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And it's the worst airport ever. You get halfway through that thing. You're like, >> I am not. Yeah. I'm a I am LaGuardia if possible. Newark if I must.

[01:12:09]>> Now, who's LaGuardia?

[01:12:10]>> JFK almost never.

[01:12:12]>> Who do you think that was? Guardi, I bet he was a mayor of New York. I believe he was a relatively popular mayor of New York if I'm not mistaken.

[01:12:20]>> You think he did anything terrible?

[01:12:22]>> Well, uh, yeah, probably, but I don't know.

[01:12:25]>> Felo de Laguardia.

[01:12:26]>> See? No. I'm going to say no. Look at that [ __ ] fat beautiful Italian.

[01:12:30]>> All right, scroll down to his wiki.

[01:12:32]>> Look at those jowls full of nei pop in there real quick. Pop into that wiki.

[01:12:37]>> Yeah, let's just let's just see. All right, so uh on the left here, this is how you do wiki, by the You scroll all the way to the left and you see if there's anything immediately crazy cuz this is where it's going to be like early life, political career, a scandal.

[01:12:48]>> Yeah, but nothing there.

[01:12:50]>> That's pretty good. Political career, mayor of New York.

[01:12:52]>> I raspable, energetic, dimminionative, rotund stature is crazy, >> dude. That would be so tough to just have in your in your wiki.

[01:13:00]>> Yeah. Go to personal life cuz that to me is the thing that uh that that's really where the tale is is told. Uh he's 5'0, >> 5 nothing, my guy. Short king.

[01:13:10]>> Okay. The New York Times gave him 52.

[01:13:12]Um, he's a good Catholic man and uh, yeah, he got married. His wife passed away. He got another wife. Um, >> wife, dude, Nazi detention of sister. All right, hold on.

[01:13:24]>> Hold up. Wait, >> scroll down a little bit.

[01:13:26]>> LaGuardia's sister, GMA LaGuardia Gluck, married Herman Gluck, Hungarian Jewuck.

[01:13:33]They were living in Hungary and they were arrested by the Gestapo. Adolf Ikeman and Hinrich Kimler knew that GMA was LaGuardia's sister in order that she be held as a political prisoner. Whoa.

[01:13:41]>> Dear, what a crazy life this guy had.

[01:13:43]>> He had a crazy life.

[01:13:44]>> You go through TSA and you're like, "Oh man, could this get any worse?" Think about LaGuardia.

[01:13:48]>> I will be thinking about LaGuardia cuz I'll be right there at LaGuardia.

[01:13:51]>> Yeah.

[01:13:51]>> And you're going to be like, "You know what? It could be worse." I mean, I >> Yeah. My sister could get the last name Gluck.

[01:13:59]>> I mean, >> I think he seems like he was a good dude. Yeah, he seems like he was pretty solid.

[01:14:04]>> Yeah, he was uh >> Go up to the very top because I thought it said something about uh like a panel of 69 scholars in 1993 ranked him as the best big city mayor in American history. What a freaking guy.

[01:14:19]>> I need to see the last names of these scholars.

[01:14:22]>> 69.

[01:14:23]>> I need to see the last names. If it's a lot of Tuis and Nois and Guan Hollos, I'm going to be like >> a couple of gluts.

[01:14:30]Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I think he was a great mayor and let's have nice things. You know, I think airport in in terms of pattern recognition, I think that there is a an assumption that everyone who is successful, that everyone is who is in power has >> horrible dark secrets because we hear about them so much. And it is important to note that a lot of people just were good.

[01:14:55]>> Yeah.

[01:14:56]>> And uh but you don't hear those stories.

[01:14:58]No. So, we're here to tell one.

[01:14:59]>> We'll find our way.

[01:15:00]>> We'll find our way.

[01:15:01]>> And as human beings, I actually trust the uh the will of the spirit to find the truth. And I think we'll be fine.

[01:15:06]>> We'll be fine.

[01:15:06]>> But it is funny. Also, watch out for your parents, too, with the AI stuff.

[01:15:09]That's the that's the other thing. I have a good pal whose dad >> My dad saw AI coming and just died.

[01:15:17]>> He was like, I can't handle it.

[01:15:18]>> He was like, I'm out. But I will let you upload my consciousness.

[01:15:20]>> Yeah, >> you could make an AI of your dad. That'd be awesome. Why is my AI drinking?

[01:15:27]>> Alcoholics intelligence.

[01:15:29]>> Yeah, >> that's why.

[01:15:30]>> Yeah.

[01:15:30]>> No, I had a friend of mine whose dad was trolling and he was like skyboxing from behind the couch and he's scrolling and it's just like uh right after Rob Reiner was killed by his own son.

[01:15:40]>> Jesus.

[01:15:40]>> It says, "Looks like Robin might have deserved it." And then it's a tweet from Rob Reiner that says, "Wow, they miss Trump. Next time I hope they get him."

[01:15:49]And then his dad sees it, likes it, keeps scrolling, and then my friend's sitting there being like, "My he knows that that's fake, right?" And he googles real quick like, "Did Robiner say that about Trump?" Never happened. And then he had to pull his dad aside and be like, "Hey, dad, you know that that's not that's not true." And he's like, "What?" And he's like, "Just scroll up real quick." And he's like, "That Rob Ryder never said that." And his dad was like, "Huh? Well, I still like it." And then just kept scrolling. And that was it.

[01:16:16]>> That's the problem. That is the problem is like something will be fake and people will be like but is it though?

[01:16:23]Cuz it feels right. And it's like you're justifying a dude who was brutally murdered by his own mentally ill son.

[01:16:29]>> Yeah.

[01:16:30]>> Yeah.

[01:16:31]>> Because uh because of some I mean that's now that's mental illness.

[01:16:36]>> Yep. Now if people are arguing with you in the comments, they're probably not real. If they're hating on me in the comments, they're definitely not real.

[01:16:42]>> Yeah.

[01:16:43]>> Almost certainly.

[01:16:43]>> Any of my ops are bots >> 100%. Yeah.

[01:16:46]>> Um, if you're getting fed content to make you feel angry, there's probably a reason for it, so be on the lookout.

[01:16:50]And, uh, ultimately go outside and love your family.

[01:16:54]>> And right before you do, watch my special Joe Avery Live in San Francisco.

[01:16:57]Check me out. I'm all over the web. Post tons of great clips. I'm on tour joey.com. And I have a podcast called The Joey Show.

[01:17:03]>> Unfortunately, that's true. Joey is a fantastic standup comedian. You should go check him out. Anyway, Christos David, thanks for tuning in. Appreciate y'all. God bless you. Thank you so much for tuning in to camp. If you're interested in content like this, well, make sure you subscribe. If you like historical content, great news. We have a whole history camp where we talk about everything that's ever happened. And if you want to know what's going to happen next, you can check out Religion Camp and that's the story of everything that's ever happened spiritually and ultimately why we're here, why what we're doing, where we came from, and where we're going to go. Anyway, God bless you all. Thank you so much. Peace.

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