Exploring the Universe, Time Travel, and God with Dr. Michio Kaku

[00:00:00]you do believe that aliens do exist yeah that's a check these people claim that they've been kidnapped by aliens and they've been in the flying saucers steal an alien chip pencil paperweight there's no law against stealing from an extraterrestrial civilization that'll end the debate right then and there time travel we realize that if you have a wormhole there is a theory that you can go backwards in time the big bang is what happens when universes collide we live in an ocean of parallel universes the next question you're going to ask is elvis presley still alive in a parallel universe probably yes belting out hit after hit according to the quantum theory you think we're going to get to a point where with advanced medicine and technology we can live forever i think that our grandkids will hit the age of 30 and stop the buildup of genetic and cellular mistakes that's what aging is with gene therapy perhaps we can reverse that aging process what separates us from the animals teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow it's impossible animals live in the present their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed they don't imagine the future and that's what separates humans from animals [Music] so my guest today is a theoretical physicist and on top of that if you go online he's probably got i don't know maybe a billion views of him sharing his ideas he's got one of those minds that you can't you'll sit there you'll say i can watch 10 minutes of his content next thing you know you're watching him for a couple hours a beautiful mind he's got he just came out with a recent book called the god equation that came out on april 6 and it's already a new york times bestseller and an amazon bestseller this is his fifth bestseller with that being said my guest today dr michio kaku doc thanks for being a guest on valuetainment my pleasure great honor yeah so so so tell us the idea behind writing the book god equation well it all started when i was eight years old a great scientist had just died and all the papers published a picture of his desk just this desk and on the desk was an unfinished open book and the caption caught my attention it said the greatest scientist of our time could not finish this book well i was i was shocked what it's a homework problem why couldn't he ask his mother what could be so hard that a great scientist couldn't finish it so i went to the library and i found out this man's name was albert einstein and that book was to be the god equation an equation perhaps no more than one inch long that would allow us to quote read the mind of god so i said to myself wow that's for me that's what i want to do when i grow up so when i was in high school i wanted to be part of this great revolution so i wanted to build an atom smasher a particle accelerator in my mom's garage i said to my mom can i have can i have permission to build a 2.3 million electron-involved betatron accelerator in the garage and my mom said sure why not don't forget to take out the garbage well i took out the garbage i assembled 400 pounds of transformer steel six kilowatts of power and i built a better joint accelerator in the garage at the time how old were you when he did that i was 17 years old holy moly and every time i plugged it in i would blow out all the circuit breakers my poor mom she'd come home all the lights would flicker and die and she must have said why couldn't i have a son who plays baseball why can't he find why can't he play basketball and for god's sake why can't he find a nice japanese girlfriend why does he have to build these machines in the garage now you grew up in san jose right this is san jose when this is happening well i was born in san jose and i grew up in palo alto okay got it and i went to the national science fair where i earned the attention of a nuclear scientist edward teller who actually built the first hydrogen bomb and so he arranged for me to get a scholarship to harvard so when i graduated from harvard he offered me a job it was a job designing hydrogen bombs so i said to myself hmm do i want to spend the rest of my life designing hydrogen warheads so i respectfully declined his very kind very generous offer because i wanted to work on an even bigger explosion i wanted to work on the big bang the creation of the universe because that's what the god equation is all about the god equation set the universe into motion and we are all byproducts so that one equation that mesmerized my intention when i was eight years old that's that's amazing so eight years old is when einstein died by the way i i own one uh statue that's about 150 pounds and i take it with me everywhere i go every office i've been from california when we move to dallas to moving here i keep it with me it's einstein statute it's him smoking a pipe and it's a statue that was put together by uh i think his name is bill mack i don't know if you know bill mackey does some real good work and uh i'm a big fan of einstein as well but what i'm curious about with you is if i was in high school with you obviously i know you finished first in harvard in your physics class and you know you were the number one graduating i mean you you've been at the top everywhere but if i was 14 15 16 years old with you i'm sitting right next to you and i'm friends with you who was uh who was michio kaku at 16 years old well i had two role models when i was 16.

[00:05:56]first of course was to try to follow in albert einstein's footsteps but second i used to watch the old flash gordon series on television saturday morning and i was hooked i mean starships aliens from other planets ray guns invisibility shields and then later in life i began to realize hey these two loves of my life science fiction and theoretical physics are really the same thing because if you understand deeply the laws of physics then you know what is possible what is plausible and what is simply ridiculous and impossible and so having a good foundation in physics made all the difference in the world you know all of biology can be explained in the language of chemistry all of chemistry can be explained in the language of physics but all of physics can be explained in the language of relativity like the big bang and the quantum theory which gives us transistors and lasers and the internet but these two these two hands of god don't communicate with each other they hate each other and that's the goal the goal is to merge these two great theories to create an equation one inch long maybe that would allow us to unravel the universe itself that's the holy grail the holy grail of science sounds like today's politics we can't get the guys on both sides to talk to each other these two guys hate each other so so but but were you the were you the quiet guy were you the guy that uh you know always had the right answers were you always talking about hey you know what do you think is out in space which one were you i'm actually really curious well i did a lot of reading about aliens and outer space and the fourth dimension and parallel universes and black holes but you know it was so frustrating because when i went to the library and i looked up hyperspace parallel universes higher dimensions i found nothing there was nothing in the library and i said to myself when i grow up and i become a theoretical physicist i'm going to write books for myself as a child i'm going to do research and try to complete einstein's dream but on the side is a hobby right for myself as a child wondering what is possible all these things on science fiction all these things you see in the movies warp drive and antimatter are they real or is it just some hollywood script writer's imagination so i said to myself i'm going to write kids i'm going to write books for children my age who were wondering what's it all about got it that makes so you knew early on you were going to be a theoretical physicist you didn't right that's so good right at what age did you know that what it was like this is what i'm going to do the rest of my life well by about sixth grade that's what i knew this this is it and you know we are all born scientists when we're born we want to know why the sun shines we want to know where we come from but then then we hit the greatest destroyer of scientists known to science the greatest destroyer of scientists is junior high school because in junior high school that's when scientists made boring memorization list of names and facts and figures you're never going to use anyway that are totally irrelevant because you know science is based on principles concepts physical pictures that's what drives science like evolution like relativity like newton's laws not memorizing einstein's middle name that's not science at all and so that's why we lose so many people in the danger years 15 16 17. those are the danger years when we lose millions of young kids that's powerful everyone's a scientist sixth grade until junior high school then the educational system kind of messes you up it's more memorization than creating testing things see what happens so so that took me to two different directions one of the things i want to talk about is the educational system i'll get to that later on but right now since we're talking about your book what were you raised in a certain denomination as like what was the meaning of god to you when your parents spoke to you about it well my parents were buddhists and in buddhism there is no beginning or end there's just timeless nirvana but they put me in a presbyterian sunday school so i grew up as a presbyterian learning about god and genesis and the books of the bible and then i had two a contradictory ideas in my head either the universe had a beginning or it didn't no two ways around it until now now we realize that our universe is a bubble of some sort it's expanding and that's called the big bang theory we live on the skin of this expanding bubble but string theory which is what i'm one of the pioneers in this theory called string theory string theory says that there are other bubbles out there other bubbles floating in nirvana so in other words our universe had a beginning like genesis our universe had a beginning but there are other universes in a bubble bath a bubble bath of universes and when these universes collide or fission that's the big bang so the big bang is what happens when universes collide and these universes expand in what nirvana that's what these bubbles expand into timeless nirvana and so we live in an ocean of parallel universes and then the next question you're going to ask me i'm sure is is elvis presley still alive in a parallel universe of course and the answer is probably yes that he's probably alive in some parallel universe belting out hit after hit according to the quantum theory i can't believe missing out on all those hits you know it's way too many he's probably on the same place with him tupac and the rest of them that are making hits uh for the rest of us so so so you're uh raised the buddhist and there is no beginning there's no end it's just kind of like a flow and then you go to presbyterian school genesis you learn all this stuff there is a beginning and then later on big bang theory the the clashes of you know different uh uh different ideas that come together and then you have nirvana okay fine today you've been around for a long time meaning you've been debating a lot of different people you've seen a lot of different ideas you see a lot of different theories what is your interpretation when you hear a pastor or preacher of their religion get up and sell their faith with the kind of conviction that they have how do you process that well i like to call galileo who once said that the purpose of science is to determine how the heavens go but the purpose of religion is to determine how to go to heaven so in other words science is about natural law how the heavens go how the planets move how the galaxy moves but religion is about how to go to heaven that is ethics how to be a good person how to obey the laws and help your neighbors and so as long as we keep these two separate they are complementary the problem occurs however when people who are in the natural sciences pontificate about ethics or when religious people pontificate about natural law that's where we get into trouble but as long as we keep these two things relatively separate they are complementary so i don't see any contradiction between the two very cool that's interesting to take that angle so so in your eyes you have i think you have two kids right you have two kids so in your eyes what do you think happens when we die well the short answer is i don't know but you know in my books and in my interviews with other scientists i begin to realize that science is closing in on mortality genetic immortality is a possibility and also digital immortality is a possibility for example uh everything known about us can be digitized our credit card transactions our emails to give an approximation of well who we are our digital soul i would love for example to talk to einstein one day somebody will digitize him everything known about his writings his interviews his inner thoughts his letters one day we will be digitized meaning that our digital footprint will be digitized and live forever on the internet so that we can talk to our great great great great great grandkids and our great great great great grandkids can talk to us because we've been digitized and that's coming faster than you realize silicon valley is already offering the capability of digitizing what is known about you now imagine what's going to happen in the years in the future will have a very good approximation of who you are and in that sense we will live forever got it so what a and by the way i fully see i can only imagine you go to a vault and you're sitting in this vault and you have access to great minds to you know i want to interview with einstein have a conversation with them i want to interview with you know some evil people in history to say what motivated you one can like imagine you have a conversation with hitler why'd you do what you do what was the motivation behind it why are you uh um that would tell us a lot and that would be very interesting to go in that angle but do you think the opposite side so digital immortality i fully see that i think it's already happened in any ways people are creating content where even the element of documentation when i'm vlogging that's a form of digital immortality because my great great great grandkids can sit there and watch me for hours and say wow that's my great great great grandfather i can't exactly do you think the element of like immortality itself of the flesh and the spirit do you think you think we're gonna get to a point where with advanced medicine and technology we can live forever you think that's a possibility well look at it this way why do we die we die because of the buildup of error error in our dna errors in our cells because of chaos the second law of thermodynamics things rust things fall apart things die but if you add energy from the outside you can get around the second law of thermodynamics for example with gene therapy we'll be able to attack aging at three levels one is telomerase we know that a cell has a clock a clock skin cells divide 60 times and then they go with the senescence and then they die why the telomeres get shorter and shorter and shorter it's like a clock after 60 reproductions the cell dies however we've now discovered telomerase a nobel prize was given for the discovery of telomerase it stops the clock now why don't we all take telomerase got to be careful this is powerful stuff you see telomerase also is used by cancer cells cancer cells are also immortal that's why they kill you because they are immortal and that's one way that cancer cells become immortal so we have to control telomerase second we know that if you live want to live 30 longer eat 30 percent less this has been checked on spiders insects uh mammals all the way up to primates you feed them 30 percent less they live 30 percent longer why is that well we're not sure because you slow down the oxidation process and mother nature knows that in case of a famine animals face famine all the time animals have a choice they can either reproduce or they can gut it out and go to senescence hibernate whatever and then when there's food flourish once again so we now have isolated the genes that control this process of gutting it out during times of famine which of course is very common for animals and uh many people are looking at these enzymes which slow down metabolism because we want to live forever without having to live like a monk we don't want to eat 30 less we want to eat lots of food and still live longer and that gets us into oxidation why do cars get old what ages in a car well it's the engine why the engine because that's where you have combustion oxidation wear and tear well where is the engine of a cell the mitochondria bingo we now know where errors build up in a cell the mitochondria and with gene therapy with crispr technology one day i think that our maybe our grandkids will hit the age of 30 and stop they may like being 30 for many decades to come i think that's well within the realm of possibility given the rapidity with which we are now unraveling the question why do we have to die listen why couldn't you have been my teacher when i went to high school like seriously if i had you as a science teacher i would have gone to school twice i would have gone to school on sundays if i had you as a school teacher the way you're teaching is just something else uh so so let's let's go there there's couple things you said there so living forever so do you think it is a good idea for us to live forever do you think it's a good idea that we have a you know we eventually die and we're replaced and replenished by somebody newer that comes with better ideas you know more creative ideas what do you think about the idea of actually being beneficial to the world for us to eventually die well there is a benefit to dying and that is on a societal level you don't want to stagnate you don't want ideas that are old crusted and obsolete to dominate young people who may think differently so on one hand you want to you want to transport the wisdom you want to get the wisdom of a generation and give the next generation that wisdom of life because life is more complicated than any simple formula however sometimes people begin to get uh you know old and tired and they want the young generation to be just as old and tired as they are and that's not a good idea that will cause stagnation that's why i say that in the future when people live forever or live very long when they hit the age of 30 that's a good age to stop because you're still young enough to have vibrant ideas but you still have the wisdom the wisdom of the first 30 years of your life so i think if and when we have the ability to stop aging that is stop the second law of thermodynamics then 30 is a good age to live forever i get what you're saying so if i can get to a certain age and just stop and be 30 for the next 200 years that's kind of cool to stay 30 for 200 more years that's right you can still look at new kinds of music and new kinds of crazy bizarre ideas with the wisdom of the past that makes sense but you're still open to it you're like okay this is cool i can get you so i can still adjust to new direction oh now we're using the internet i can adjust to no now we're using netflix i can adjust to the lifestyles also changes versus no this is how it's been for a long time and i'm not willing to pivot nor adjust to it question for you about movies so a lot of movies we watch over the years uh and the first time we watch it we're like there's no way in the world that's gonna happen it's just not going to happen that's impossible that's pretty cool to sit there and think about the idea that's kind of cool you know that's that's pretty intense to see something like that you know and then you know for example i don't know if you've seen the movie benjamin button if you've seen the movie benjamin button he is aging backwards which is pretty crazy right or even the movie age of adeline i don't know if you've seen the movie age of adults i've seen age of adeline i go to one scene in age of adeline and i've probably seen that scene i'm not even kidding with you it's my wife thinks i'm crazy probably two or three hundred times it's the scene where adeline walks in and she's dating her his son and she turns around and looks at him it's like adeline and then she doesn't know how to answer and this to mom you know which scene i'm talking about it's in the house when that is scene takes place but she gets struck by lightning due to a car crash and she can't age and the way she started aging again is when she got struck in lightning because of the second car accident she started aging because you got a gray hair so she was celebrating getting a gray hair because that means immortality is not an effect for her or even back to the future where we can go on a time machine right how many of these movies that come up with these ideas or accidental ideas because somebody was smoking the right you know pot or they were on lsd or they were being delusional and let me write about this this be kind of cool and how much of this is a visionary envisioning a future that maybe the rest of the world hasn't yet envisioned and it's just an imagination is it accidental or is it something that's actually uh something someone believes that's gonna happen well when i saw that movie with adeline i was very curious about exactly how a lightning bolt would make her immortal and the narrator actually lays out a scenario i followed i followed the gobble the [ __ ] i followed the reasoning and they said that the lightning bolt changed her biochemistry and the genes the genes that control the aging process were altered by the lightning bolt and it lays out a scenario where biochemistry biochemistry is at the root of immortality now look at it this way why do we have to die look at the greenland shark the greenland shark lives to be about 500 years of age we know that because just like tree rings you can look at the eyeball of the fish count the rings and calculate the age of these fish and they are between 400 to 500 years of age so in other words why do we have to die in the arctic where these fish are metabolism is much slower and slower metabolism means air is built up slower and again that's what aging is the buildup of genetic and cellular mistakes they build up cells get sluggish they eventually die as a consequence but with gene therapy perhaps we can reverse that aging process correct the mistakes and that's where the adeline movie comes in a lightning bolt did it in the movie maybe we can do it using biochemistry in the laboratory so this is something that we should think about it's not for us we're not there yet but we have tantalizing clues as to the mechanism of how aging takes place in cells in worms for example we can actually double their lifespan and as i mentioned you can take any animal up to humans and make them live 30 percent longer now this has not been tested in humans by the way it's been tested in dogs cats primates you eat 30 percent less you live 30 longer why hasn't it been tested in humans well let's be blunt humans bellyache too much if they don't like something they sue you and who wants to be sued so in other words it'll be a while before we test humans by having them eat 30 percent less so that that's age of adeline you're right the humans sue humans i have not seen too many dogs suing dogs and that that's i think that's a scientific statement right there but so benjamin button fake can that happen can somebody age backwards you know and then back to the future what why are we waiting so long to come up with this time machine why can't we have it already well aging backwards would violate the second law of thermodynamics the second law of thermodynamics says that in a closed system things decay things get older things fall apart things die the key word is closed in a closed system things naturally get older in an open system like you have sunlight energy from the sun that can reverse the process that's how evolution takes place evolution should violate the second law of thermodynamics people get uh i mean if you take a look at human evolution we got smarter we got more adapted to the environment why because we had extra energy from the outside sunlight now that open system could be biochemistry and so biochemistry could replace sunlight and speed up this process instead of waiting millions of years for evolution to catch up we may be able to do it in one generation now time travel that's something that we physicists actually look into and we realize that if you have a wormhole there is a theory that you can go backwards in time now in 1935 it was einstein himself who postulated the existence of wormholes that i mentioned in my book the god equation if i have two universes parallel to each other and i create a bridge a bridge between these two universes then you fall into one and go into the other now the energy to do this is the energy of a black hole so in other words if there's a white hole a white hole on the other end of a black hole it means that you can fall in and fall out someplace else in the universe now this of course raises paradoxes what happens if you go backwards in time and commit suicide that is you kill yourself as a young child then how can you live if you just killed yourself as a young child well there's a way around it and in quantum mechanics there's something called the many worlds theory that every time a measurement is made the universe splits in half and keeps on splitting every time there's a an observation being made and so maybe when you go backwards in time the river of time forks into two rivers so if you go to backwards in time to save abraham lincoln from being assassinated at the fourth theater you've saved somebody else's abraham lincoln your abraham lincoln and your river of time died with an assassin's bullet that cannot be changed but the river of time splits and forks and you've saved another universe's abraham lincoln from being assassinated that is what we physicists think is a possible resolution of all time travel paradoxes the river of time forks that's some deep stuff i feel like i'm high right now just listening to you but by the way what are your thoughts on drugs and and uh you know lsd and and you know taking certain drugs scientists to see the world from a different element you know you hear the stories about steve jobs was tested with lsd a little bit just to kind of get his brain a little bit more creative what are your thoughts about certain drugs helping see the world from a different lens that others don't see well one downside is addiction and addiction will eventually kill you because you get addicted to a drug that interferes with the biochemistry of the body drugs that are mild like marijuana we can go back and forth back and forth looking at the data but hard drugs will mess up the brain and create an alternate reality so people who are creative artists and writers and people who make their living being imaginative i can see why they would want to do it but the pitfall is it could control you to the point that you get addicted and you're a slave you become a slave to this drug creating the drug industry which is a multi-billion dollar industry which paralyzes whole governments hold governments in latin america are paralyzed because of the drug cartel which makes money on people getting high and so i think that there's a downside to this as well yeah that's that's a very uh have you ever have you ever been curious about testing your own brain like have you yourself gone and wanted to do mris and to study the difference between i had uh who's the guest i had on who was a brain uh uh daniel dr daniel uh uh amen dr daniel amen i brought him on and he said he has done i don't know how many mris on the brain you know 175 000 some major number that he gave and he's looked at so many different things do you think there is a way to look at someone's brain to say this person's brain vibrates at a different level with ideas the coloring all that other stuff have you investigated that at all or no well i've had my brain scanned several times i've hosted a few documentaries for bbc television and they flew me down to north carolina where they have one of the the finest mri machines and you can actually see thoughts as they emerge in the brain you can actually see centers of the brain light up like a christmas tree and so many of the secrets of the brain are being revealed for example the back of the brain is the so-called reptilian brain it's the brain of hunger balance aggression the brain that a snake would have in the back of the brain or an alligator the center of the brain is more or less the monkey brain the limbic brain the brain of social structures that is the brain of how to defer to your elders how to be kind to people the the brain that involves pac mentality that's the center of the brain and then the question is what are we what separates us from the animals what separates us from the animals is the front of the brain the prefrontal cortex and so what does it do what separates us from the animals the front of the brain is a time machine it daydreams it constantly conjures up images of imagined futures for example let's do an experiment go home tonight and talk to your dog and teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow very simple teach your dog the meaning of tomorrow you can't it's impossible because animals live in the present their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed they don't imagine the future and that's what separates humans from animals we live in the future brain scans constantly show that when somebody is daydreaming about the future they're actually accessing the past past memories and then altering it to create alternate futures that's how we recall images if you brain scan an animal you find out that they don't think about the past they don't think about the future they only think about the present so that's what separates humans from animals humans live in the future here we constantly daydream plot scheme we're constantly thinking what can i do what does that mean why is he saying this we're constantly thinking about gossip about alternate futures what if i did what if i what if i did this what if i did that that's called humanity that's why we differ from the animals because if you read the mind of an animal all they're worried about is where's lunch where's dinner that's pretty much it when you brain scan an animal no wonder they're so happy well maybe chihuahuas are pissed off because maybe chihuahuas do see the future i don't know i mean there's uh certain dogs that have a pretty terrible temper they're not happy about anything but yeah i can't see that that makes a lot of sense uh look you know we've covered a lot of things here let's go kind of to the next part here we can talk about aliens and extraterrestrial you know terrestrial um you saw a lot of things have been coming up lately well you know the we found that there was you know connection and contact with another uh uh i think it was about a year and a half ago or a year ago where we saw a video where the pilot is talking about wait a minute what is this all about and then something came about a week ago or maybe even two weeks ago i think we're at a point where people are not disputing that there is a life out there uh uh in the uh you know outer space there is life out there in the outer space but i guess the question i would have for you would be the following area 51 used to be a myth and it's no longer a myth it's you know it's people kind of know about it they're going out there you know sitting outside and kind of making videos do you think because we don't know much about aliens we believe they exist we've seen images we've seen images in movies we've been told they exist and we're at a point that we believe it do you think aliens know about our existence and are they watching us or are they just as oblivious as we are about them as they are about us well i get a lot of emails and some of them say professor you're wrong you're totally wrong the aliens are not there the aliens are here they're among us and how do they know these people claim that they've been kidnapped they've been kidnapped by aliens and they've been in the flying saucers so i have a word of advice the next time you are kidnapped by a flying saucer for god's sake steal something steal an alien chip an alien pencil an alien paperweight steal something because there's no law against stealing from an extraterrestrial civilization you're not going to go to jail where's the law that says you can't steal from an alien civilization and then you'll have bragging rights that'll end the debate right then and there period end of story end of debate you have an alien chip that proves that you've been in that flying saucer now when you're walking down a forest and you meet a squirrel do you go down to the squirrels and talk to it well maybe initially hey hi squirrel but eventually you get bored because the squirrel has nothing to say to you i mean it's boring talking to a squirrel they have nothing to add no insights no funny stories nothing they just run away for the next acorn so if we are the squirrels and aliens from outer space land on the earth what do we have to offer them shakespeare well maybe they don't understand english what do we have to offer them gold gold means nothing to them in fact gold is rather a useless medal for an advanced civilization what do they want to eat us we're not going to be made out of the same dna they're not going to want to eat us or mate with us or do anything with our genome we're totally different from them so i think for the most part they'll leave us alone they'll say oh nice squirrel and leave us alone so in other words in other words you're saying that if they did know about us they would leave us alone are you saying so first of all let me just kind of set the tone here with this part you do believe that aliens do exist that's a check right yeah that's a check yeah okay so that's a check okay so do you believe because you've also said in the past that it's probably not a good idea to wake them up just like cortez you know was going against you know you don't want to let the enemy know that you [Music] are out there it's better for you to stay quiet and not make a lot of noise and not let them know about you are you saying that because you don't believe they know of our existence yet well put it this way there's a group called the meti project which deliberately deliberately sends signals into outer space saying here we are here's what we like this is what we can do and visit us sometime i think that's a bad idea because we don't know what their intentions are maybe they've been scanning us maybe they know pretty much where what our technological development level is they know a lot about us our language our culture they're pretty advanced but for the most part we're not interesting to them but one day if we advertise our existence and reveal how much we have resources minerals perhaps things that are of value to an alien civilization then just like was mentioned cortes well montezuma thought that cortez was a god big mistake one of the biggest mistakes in history cortez was a pirate he was a bloodthirsty pirate but what did he have he had steel while the aztecs had bronze he had the horse the aztecs had no horse cortez had the written language the aztecs had no written language and cortez had smallpox and that of course devastated the population so i think for the most part it's a bad idea to advertise our existence to aliens in outer space in other words maybe we're off the radar let's keep it that way for a while do you believe we are off the right do you do you believe we're off their radar right now well i think aliens probably have more important things to worry about because if you are a a person walking in a forest there are lots of forest animals out there some forest animals are probably more interesting than squirrels and so i think there's a lot more interesting things for them to be preoccupied with so i think for the most part we should lie low but i think they're out there you know we've analyzed 4 000 planets so far 4 000 of which roughly 20 percent seem to be earth-like now that expanding to the galaxy means that there are billions billions of earth-like planets maybe a little bit bigger than the earth but billions of earth-like planets out there to assume that we're the only one i think is the height of arrogance i i agree it's naive or arrogant by the way when you said the quartz at smallpox did you mean he used the smallpox you kill his enemy well the conquistadors we don't know which conquistador brought smallpox but we know the conquistadors brought diseases to the new world and the the aztecs had no no immune system no defense against these so it wasn't cortez personally it was the conquistadors that brought smallpox to the new world as a use of a weapon or accidental they had it and they just brought it in it spread probably accidental okay got it makes sense so it wasn't like an intentional thing that they did okay so so do you think there's a twin up earth out there in the world that maybe two thousand years ahead of us or five thousand years ahead of us or a thousand years behind us do you think there's a there could be a possibility of twin of an earth i think there are probably doppelgangers out there that are just like the planet earth and they could be millions of years ahead of us now many of my friends you know they're all physicists when you talk aliens to them their eyes kind of like roll up into the heavens and they start to shake their heads that's the giggle factor that whenever you talk to them about that and why do they giggle they say the distance between stars is so great it would take hundreds thousands of years for them to reach us but you see that assumes they are a hundred years ahead of us and of course a hundred years ahead of us a civilization like that cannot reach the earth but for the moment think of what could happen if they are a million years ahead of us if they were a million years ahead of us and our science is only 300 years old 300 years ago we lived in witchcraft sorcery magic that's where we were 300 years ago if there are millionaires ahead of us which is a blink of an eye a blink of an eye because the universe is 13.8 billion years old then think that their understanding of the laws of physics would be completely different from our understanding of the laws of physics you see our understanding of the laws of physics breakdown breakdown at the instant of creation the big bang and the center of a black hole we don't know anything about the center of a black hole or the instant of creation new laws of physics open up perhaps wormholes gateways that allow us to go faster than the speed of light and so get rid of all your prejudices that they can't reach us because they're only 100 years ahead of us if there are millionaires ahead of us new laws of physics begin to open up i'm i'm trying to wrap my head around if there's a double ganger say it's a twin of ours and they're million years years ahead of us and they have feelings emotions opinions they're thinking about the future and the past there's probably going to be opposing beliefs religions technology advancements power the the temptation of wanting to rule the world and all that other stuff i i i don't i don't know about that because and here here's kind of what again i may be wrong i'm not a theoretical physicist but uh do you think the way we're going right now we can exist a thousand years from now two thousand years from now four thousand years from the reason why i'm asking this question is one is from the advancement standpoint okay on how much we're advancing right it seems like right now we're the level of acceleration of advancement is about to go in a different gear we're about to downshift second gear and it's gonna go and i think the separation's gonna be further than ever before uh some are just gonna get way hit i mean you're starting to see the the level of wealth that's being made you got musk at what couple hundred billion right now one day he's 140 one day he's 160 got bezos a couple hundred and then you have technology things that nft people still don't even know what an nfd is people still don't even know what a bitcoin is people are still trying to learn what the hell is going on and at the same time we are wanting to be important and i'm important look at me i'm smart i'm wealthy i'm powerful i'm a politician do you think we can be around a thousand years from now without somebody finally saying screw all of you i'm gonna pull the plug boom it's over with well we physicists have actually tried to describe civilization thousands millions of years ahead of us and we categorize them by energy a type one civilization is a civilization that controls planetary power they control the weather earthquakes volcanoes they can modify them anything earthbound they have the energy to control that's type one type two civilization controls the energy of the sun directly they harness the solar flares they energize the entire solar system because they control the sun that's type two type three is galactic they roam the galactic space lanes they've colonized the entire galaxy black holes stars supernovas they roam the entire galaxy now on this scale of energy what are we are we type one that control the weather volcanoes earthquakes are we type two that control solar flares and the energy of the entire sun are we type three that roam the galactic space lanes no we're type zero we get our energy from oil and coal that's dead plants we're type zero but we are about a hundred years from becoming type one that's what all the headlines are about what is the internet the internet is the first type one technology to fall into this century it is a planetary technology the internet what about the language of type one well on the internet already english and mandarin chinese are the two most popular languages on the internet what about culture we're seeing the beginning of planetary sports with the olympics and with soccer we see the beginning of a planetary music youth culture youth music rap music rock and roll we're seeing the beginning of a type 1 culture in fashion gucci chanel so we're beginning to see the beginning of a type 1 civilization right in front of us but that's the danger the most dangerous transition is between type zero to type one why because if we're type zero we have all the savagery all the brutality of our past we came from the swamp just 300 years ago 300 years ago there was only magic superstition inquisitions torture that's the way it was just 300 years ago and now we're headed toward type one every time we open the newspaper i see the beginning of the birth of a type 1 civilization a planetary civilization look at the pandemic it's a planetary pandemic but how do we deal with it globally globally we did it and we're conquering it now that was impossible just a hundred years ago during the 1918 spanish flu outbreak now we can actually control outbreaks like this so we're seeing the birth of a type 1 civilization but it's dangerous because we now have nuclear weapons we have the ability to create designer germs we have the ability to alter the weather with global warming so it's not clear whether we're going to make the transition from type 0 to type 1 but this is the greatest transition in human history we are privileged to be alive to see this transition from type zero to type one so so from from your research from i don't if you've done or if you haven't done what was uh uh hitler's reasoning for having the level of hate that he had from your research from what you read why why did he have that kind of hate for a different or you know jews or whatever you know the level of hate he had for them well you see before we become type one we have all the savagery of type zero we came from the swamp think about it think of what life was like just a few hundred years ago a life expectancy for example something as simple as that was 30 years of age for most of human history we lived in a savage barbaric past just struggling to stay alive and of course having enemies was a very convenient way to keep the masses happy and contented look at the roman empire many attempts were made to try to create a civilization but they all failed why did they fail because there was not enough wealth to go around poverty sickness disease but now we have the industrial revolution the electric revolution the computer revolution giving us enough wealth that we don't have to constantly fight for it and the question is can we negotiate this transition to type one if we can we're talking about an age of aquarius by the time we're type 2 by the way we are immortal no nothing known to science can destroy a type 2 civilization meteors can be deflected asteroids can be blown up weather can be modified no more global warming problems even the sun even if the sun explodes they can leave the sun and colonize another star system so by the time you're type two you are immortal the danger is the most dangerous period is between type zero to type one because we still have all the savagery of the past yeah i asked that question because look right now uh 46 is one click away from sending uh nuclear bombs all over all over the world if you wanted to there's that much power behind a president right you got a putin in russia that's got the same kind of capabilities if somebody upsets him and we know if that happens there's a domino effect right boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom wait what did you do you're going to retaliate we have to retaliate and then it's going to be insanity right that's going to go back and forth so the reason why i asked the hitler question is because what prevents and again this whole topic is about there's another doppelganger you know another civilization around the you know space that's like the earth that's you said maybe a million years ahead of us as long as there's emotion and there's ego where someone can be offended don't you think there's a likelihood that someone could pull the plug with the level of access to explosives that we have today whether it's a virus whether it's bio chemical warfare whether it's whatever else may be to just finish everything up and boom we have to start all over again well there's a note of optimism here first of all realize that i think that technology has a moral direction now that differs from what most scientists believe most scientists believe that technology is neutral a sword could either cut against you or cut with you it's a science is a double-edged sword but i tend to disagree i think that technology has a moral direction because the internet spreads information and it creates empowerment information is power powered to liberate yourself from dictatorships and oppression in other words it creates democracy we have a wave of democratic movements around the world now when i was a kid there was an expression called dictator for life if you were a dictator under the wing of russia or the united states they couldn't get rid of you you were dictated for life now we laugh at that what dictator for life you kidding people can organize they can educate themselves they can arm themselves with knowledge so the big winner is democracy now they're going to be back they're going to be backsliding there's going to be problems but in the main the internet spreads empowerment empowerment means more democracy and democracies are more stable than dictatorships dictatorships on a whim can start a war democracies it's very difficult to start a war in a democracy because you have widows you have veterans all these people with access to the media that may not want a war and so i think that there are checks and balances so i think that the smallest unit of history is the decade anything smaller than a decade you get random fluctuations and if you look at history decade by decade think of where we were in the year 1900 it was a horrible year 1900 with kings and queens and empires the austro-hungarian empire fighting the prussian empire by the what all these empires fighting each other 1900 was not a very pleasant year to live in and of course that gave birth to world war one now think of what we have today sure we have nuclear weapons but we have empowerment taking place with a middle class with access to the means to get information instantly anywhere on the planet earth i think that is a good trend i mean look you know i'm an optimist and i'm leaning towards you but i'm also a guy that uh subscribes to what andy andy grove years ago the former ceo of intel who wrote the book only the paranoid survive i think there's got to be an element of paranoia to make sure we can prevent madness from taking place and when you're saying information and social media and you know internet what it's doing how it's leaning towards democracy do you think it is a good idea to constantly permit for opposing ideas to clash and you know these these virtual governments have a lot of power today the twitters the facebooks the youtubes of the world they have a lot of power today do you think it's a bad idea let me say ask the question differently do you think it's a bad idea to prevent from opposing ideas to clash even though you may disagree with them well i think that correct ideas emerge from struggle with incorrect ideas ideas have to clash with each other and if it means that some crazy ideas are out there well so be it you know this is the wild west the internet is young i mean think of technology we've had cars since the last century we've had trains since the 1800s the internet is a young technology and as a consequence you have people who harangue others are noisy people people that want to beat their chest on the internet say also crazy things but eventually people will tune them out eventually people will mature because why give these people a platform because this frees free speech but you just can turn them off as well because people have to mature and i think that when people mature that's when the tone of the internet is going to change from the wild west to something that it that wants wisdom wisdom is what we need on the internet not haranguing but wisdom and i think that that wisdom comes from struggle with incorrect ideas and it does mean that there's going to be a wild west for a while until people people get mature and simply tune out these crazy ideas because they say well that's nonsense but that takes a while so the internet is still very young i agree i mean the internet's what 20 30 40 years old depending on when you start the internet you know you kind of pick the time that it started so so for you the idea of silencing a figure like a trump is not a good idea you got to let him be on there and say what he's saying whether you like him or not but to because you know sanders and the reason why i'm asking this question is because again i'm going back to events to what really irritated a guy named adolf that he wanted to fly i mean he was one war away siberia he was getting close and churchill if there's not a churchill you and i may be speaking german today so what do we have to do from not offending the wrong person where their motives comes out to want to do something bigger to retaliate towards a potential civilization so for you we ought to allow people of opposing ideas to not be banned on social media twitter facebook whoever they may be because people will eventually become wiser and they'll tune those ideas out well i think you have to let unpopular ideas uh out there because once people have grievances they act on these grievances and there's a a social movement behind many of these ideas and if you bottle it up it comes back in a more hideous form and so i think that it's short-sighted it's short-sighted to simply say we can tune out certain ideas just because uh we don't like these ideas i think it's a bad idea i i'm totally i'm totally with you i'm i'm on the same page with you i i i learn through debate i learn through discourse i learn through argument i learn through seeing people arguing they debate going back and forth because you're sitting there saying never thought i would agree with him huh that was an interesting point really wow never had it from that point of view and we're getting better versus if i just only hear from one side you're not your argument is not getting any stronger final thoughts here before we wrap up i've had a fascinating time listening to you your mind is just so interesting to me to want to hear what you have to say if elon musk were to get his rocket ready today would you consider moving to mars with him well i'm a scientist and we realized that rocket failure takes place roughly one percent of the time uh take a look at the space shuttle we had 200 or so missions of the space shuttle how many of them blew up two that's exactly one percent of the time and so people who are astronauts in the old days they were pilots air force pilots they knew that every time they got into that capsule there was a probability they're not going to come back but then we begin to think of space travel as being a sunday picnic that i think was not a good idea because reality catches up with you that one percent of the time catches up with you so when elon musk recently said that he expects some people to die on the mission to mars i think he's preparing the world public preparing them for the possibility that yes some people may die but don't have a backlash against the space program you know when this shuttle blew up and seven brave astronauts died on national television there was a backlash a backlash against a space program we don't want that backlash we want people to be honest space travel to mars is not a sunday picnic the mission will take two years nine months to get there nine months to get back and a few months to do experiments two years but the world's record for being in and out of space is only one year so we're talking about busting a whole bunch of records sending humans to mars i think we can do it i think we should do it because the dinosaurs did not have a space program and that's why there are no dinosaurs in this room right now because they didn't have a space program we do but they're going to be pitfalls and i think elon musk is right priming the people telling them that yes the mission to mars they're going to be heroes heroines but some of them will not make it back how long before we have civilization on mars what do you think well sometime after 2030 we expect to have the first piloted crude crude mission to the red planet and i don't think we should bankrupt the earth to create a settlement on mars but i think a settlement on mars should be self-sustaining so it's not a financial drain on the planet earth meaning that they should have agriculture mining robots in order to create a self-sustaining colony on the red planet and that is well within our capability when's the last time we had a scientist as a president i'm curious when's the last time we had a scientist as a president america i think the closest we came was actually benjamin franklin benjamin franklin actually made a scientific history with his kite experiments and many of his breakthroughs but i don't think we've ever come close to having a scientist as president do you think do you think the next phase is going to be us valuing the brain of a scientist to want to run the nation rather than a brain of a lawyer military entrepreneur businessman well you know there's a danger having lawyers and professional politicians run the government because the question is where does wealth come from to a politician wealth comes from taxes you rob peter to pay paul to an economist you print money but you see that's simply robbing other people to pay for your debts i say wealth comes from science and technology from the industrial revolution to the electric revolution to the computer revolution of today it's science that generates the wealth that then is divided up by politicians who debate and slice the pie smaller and smaller and smaller i say we need a bigger pie instead of struggling with this slice of the pie saying we want a bigger share your shirt has to be smaller we want to tax this and and put the tax money over there i think we need a bigger pie and where does that bigger pie come from science and technology so who makes it the young that's why it's so important that we instill this love of science in the next generation i love this so so basil musk could be a president in u.s you think he would make a good president well gee to be a president you have to have the temperament of uh a horse trading uh compromise and uh if you're a trailblazing entrepreneur you don't want to compromise too much you want it now right so i think that well there's a benefit to having a politician who knows how to trade horses uh because it takes um a certain amount of uh of back and forth to become a politician well i gotta tell you i've really enjoyed it i appreciate you for coming on and being a guest on valuetainment folks we're gonna put the link to his book below to go to amazon and order this book uh uh that that just came out on again let me remember to date april 6th i want to say yes is it april 6 that just came out that's already a new york times bestseller the god equation the quest for a theory of everything click on the link below to go order the book doc once again thank you for your time okay my pleasure great honor probably one of my top 15 conversations i've ever had on valuetainment i know it sounds weird but i was just mesmerized by the topics we discussed right uh what it is digital immortality i mean digital immortality which i understand then immortality formulas 30 less 30 percent longer lifespan you know how level 0 to 1 and at level 2 just so many things that leaves for arguments and debates and wanting to learn more so i want to hear your thoughts what was it that you took away from the interview and if you enjoyed this interview i also did an interview like this with dr steven greer who we talked about ufos he had an experience with a ufo that if you've never watched it before and you like this topic i think you'll enjoy that interview as well click over here watch that interview with that being said have a great day everybody take care bye