Federal prosecution of child pornography offenses requires proving that the material was transported or transmitted through interstate commerce, triggering federal jurisdiction under 18 U.S.C. § 2252. The indictment typically includes charges for both receiving and possessing child pornography, each carrying a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years and a maximum of 20 years. The legal definition of child pornography under 18 U.S.C. § 2256 encompasses any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor under 18, including digital images and computer-generated content. Federal prosecutors may pursue cases through task forces like Project Safe Childhood, which coordinates multi-agency efforts to combat online child exploitation. The prosecution process involves grand jury indictment, arraignment, discovery exchange, bail hearings, and potential trial, with most federal cases resolving through plea agreements rather than going to trial.
Federal Indictment Analysis: Josh Duggar & Britney Spears Court Updates
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normally do pop culture but there are some big things that are happening and since i'm a former prosecutor sometimes it's helpful to talk about those prosecutions the length of time it took to get to that prosecution does not surprise me federal prosecutions absolutely take time in the realm of pop culture we are teeing up for an epic showdown maybe of the satan shoes variety maybe of the call in the caterpillar variety between walmart and kanye west's yeezys over intellectual property now if you guys don't follow the fashion law over on twitter they're amazing the blog is amazing the lawyer is very smart very knowledgeable about intellectual property and does the best breakdowns of what's going on in high-end fashion retail fashion and and you know again all things fashion law but these are the logos that we're gonna see a fight over between walmart and kanye west i'm very interested to see this start to pop off and we can pull this lawsuit if you guys are curious about what's going on with walmart and yeezy do they look the same to you i mean is somebody gonna confuse that this little mark is like that little mark does walmart have their trademark in the category of shoes so so many questions with regard to that in erica girardi news i didn't even swoop to get into the weekly recap next time we're professionals here in erica gerardi news there have been new court documents this is going to be in the podcast coming up this week because there's a lot to dive into i was going to jump into it tonight with britney spears stuff but no no no other things happened lots of other things happened but the i have talked about a lot in the erica jane erica girardi tangential relation to the bankruptcy proceedings her husband tom gerardi famed fall from grace lawyer there's lots of videos on the channel if you want to catch up on it podcast episodes of the emily show all the things with regard to the drawdies but i've said since the beginning of this at some point erica gerardi who is not a co-debtor in the bankruptcy will likely be sued in the bankruptcy court so once you're in bankruptcy there's this big umbrella and all the [ __ ] gets pulled into it i have said that i think that the bankruptcy trustees will sue her to try to recover funds from her that might belong to the bankruptcy estate if the law firm there's two bankruptcies law firm and personal if the law firm loaned her business any money they can sue her and her company to try to get that back with regard to the personal bankruptcy if there's assets that were distributed to her that haven't been put into the community property the jaguar ring fancy clothes expensive shoes and purses then we can see the bankruptcy trustees suing and moving to sue and get those back what the bankruptcy trustee has to do is bring on an attorney to act as litigation counsel to pursue those lawsuits and then they file them like a lawsuit they have a right to a jury and all the things wow y'all in in an interesting turn of events that i was not expecting but i was very curious about um twitter legal commentator ronald richards is seeking to be appointed by the bankruptcy trustee as the special um counsel for the bankruptcy trustee for the law firm to go after erica doradi so there are questions about how has he been giving this much commentary can he be the attorney seeking to sue erica girardi over this if he does sue erica dardy if he is appointed by the bankruptcy trustee is he going to build them for all the [ __ ] he's done researching this case to talk about it up to now like are we just going to build all that research work into into the bankruptcy court and we've got real questions of pre-litigation um advertising pre-litigation publicity and whether that can disqualify him whether erica girardi's attorneys will seek to disqualify him and the fact that he would get 35 of anything he is able to recover from erica jane so now there becomes this interest in in really pursuing that from the bankruptcy trustee on behalf of the law firm so then he would be involved in both the individual bankruptcy trustee where he represents uh law firms who have not gotten paid in that bankruptcy and then he would also be involved in the bankruptcy working essentially for the trustee for girardi keys to sue erica jane i have a lot of thoughts and questions but we're not going to get into them tonight that's going to be for the podcast i'm going to pull up all of the documents we're going to talk through some of the things i have and i'm just like there's some questions there there are some very very real questions there so that are those are the stories that i am tracking around the interweb and uh and and trust there is some very interesting stuff happening but tonight we have so much to cover i am going to touch in and say hello leonards hello i saw that we had two super chats come in thank you very much theresa minn soda happy early birthday minds the 9th i was even born on mother's 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expecting to see with the britney case and at the end of the day everything got put over and i'm annoyed by that because i really wanted some things to get ruled on and there's a lot to be ruled on with regards to the brittany conservatorship so let me just let's just get into a quick britney conservatorship update britney was back in court this last week on april 27th with regard to four different motions being heard in court the one that was gaining the most attention was this motion for legal fees there is a video on the channel breaking all of that down we will link it down below um one of the several legal teams for brittany's dad jamie spears was asking for about over eight hundred thousand dollars in legal fees for about four months worth of work uh lynn spears britney's mother objected and was like yo friends that that seems like a lot like a lot that seems like a lot so during this last court hearing i was hoping that the court would rule on that negative ghostwriter the pattern is full that got put over to the next court hearing so did the request to remove jamie as the conservator of the person now he was appointed conservator of the person years ago he stepped down as conservator of the person temporarily and jody montgomery has been filling that role well britney's court-appointed attorney sam ingham had asked the court to just remove jamie so he can't like pop back up like a like a bad std that's a terrible joke emily either way we're we're gonna allow it on behalf of his father so we can't just spring back to life and be like ha ha i want to be conservator of the person again so brittany's court-appointed attorney has asked to remove him so that jody montgomery would be the conservator of the person and there would be no worry that at some point in the future jamie spears was going to be like i'm the conservator of the person again that also got put over the most interesting thing that happened in court was that sam ingham at the end of the hearing was like oh by the way oh by the way we all have a friend who does this i have a friend who does this i love you chris my friend group from high school we oh by the way like there's nobody's business we're like oh by the way i'm engaged oh by the way i'm pregnant oh by the way all these things are happening in my life just by the way because sometimes there's no way to say it so it's oh by the way so sam ingham pulled an oh by the way and he was like oh by the way courtney uh courtney i saw courtney in the chat if you're courtney in the chat i saw you hello oh by the way britney would like to address the court directly i'm sorry what what britney's going to address the court directly in june i am going to attend that court hearing i'm going to break it down for y'all here on the channel i am dying to hear what britney has to say to the court is britney gonna just like make a motion to remove herself from the conservatorship because it is a voluntary conservatorship is brittany going to be like hey um your honor we're good can we be good what do we need to do like her attorney can bring that motion at any time he's reserved the right to bring that motion is he going to do that are we going to see what are we going to hear from brittany when she talks to the court i am so interested to see what she has to say i am sure it will be a interesting hearing i hope that the court does not close it to the public i hope that it does not get crashed and hacked and issues that they'd had in previous hearings i am very very very interested to hear what britney has to say talking to the court and what she asks for um and and why she feels like why now why she feels that she needs to be heard on this proceeding i'm very interested so in june that's when we will be back at some point before that june hearing i am going to do a shorter i have lots of conservatorship videos on the channel but i'm going to do a shorter um kind of road so far so that we can condense what's been going on in the conservatorship because there are lots of motions and there's been lots of legal back and forth particularly in the last year so do a condensed road so far so that you guys have the case brief on that before the next hearing and then we hear what britney has to say i have no idea what she is going to say she could come into court and be like your honor i want all of the proceedings sealed i want everything sealed i want my privacy back i think it's unlikely because her conservator or no her court appointed attorney has said that brittany wants the proceedings to be more open and we've seen him objecting to stealing certain records that she's wanted things to be more open she might come in and say i don't want my dad to have anything to do with anything can we remove him as all the the conservators but there's been no motion to that she may ask to have another um or a new medical evaluation i don't know why she wants to talk to the court and she's not doing it through her attorney but there's something she feels the judge needs to hear from her it seems and i am very very interested to hear what it is so that's what's coming up in june with the britney spears conservatorship britney speaks i i am going to attend the court hearing i will probably go live after the court hearing we will do all the things i am very interested to hear what britney has to say there's a part of me that's tempted to just fly to la but no panda i'm like well i'll be vaccinated by then we'll see my parents somewhere are going yes come to l.a no we're gonna we're gonna attend that though because you can do that remotely all right y'all y'all we are we are 18 minutes in we have why is my camera at some point my camera like when i turn it off for the night it just shifts and then this hand just disappears like come on back come on back there we go there we go we're in the center again it just happens over time my camera moves all right you guys are you ready are you ready to talk duggars we are going to do that i am going to make a quick disclaimer before we get into it then i am going to swoop us into the topic when i talk about this i am going to close the chat so that i can go through it without getting all distracted because yes adhd and dyslexic and sometimes reading documents like this out loud are hard so disclaimer for the chat i love you law nerds you guys are amazing we are not here to judge to besmirch to disparage i have seen the absolute vitriol against josh duggar online i get it i understand that these charges are bad however however this is still a family that has children and other siblings who are not involved in this crime our chat never fosters hate against anyone no matter how divisive the person is or how disgusting we find their behavior we are going to talk about the charging documents what federal prosecutions are like what happened today at the arraignment based on reports and those sorts of things we are not going to um you know judge and and be smurch and disparage so once i get into this i'll give a little background on josh duggar i don't watch the show i don't i'm not hugely familiar with the duggars this is outside of my realm of pop culture but i know lots of you love the duggars and i have gotten a a bunch of input and there was a pretty good article in um us magazine that kind of broke down some of the past allegations so we will talk about that too okay thank you chat for being amazing i appreciate all of you i appreciate that we can come to this chat and have real conversations about the facts as we know them as of today without um getting just absolutely buck wild about it that's what we're here for that's what we have this chat for so love the duggars hate the duggars however you feel about the duggars this is one individual who is accused of some horrible [ __ ] and we are going to talk about the [ __ ] that they are accused of and leave kind of the rest of the family out of it for the time being because again if a family member gets charged it's not really your fault there's nothing you can do can't pick your family should we go to red lights let's go to red lights we're going to go we're going to go to we're going to go to defcon red uh that's kind of orangey we need redder that's too pink red red red for those of you that are new let us know in the chat if you're new we have a defcon system defcon red is defcon what the [ __ ] so this is an arrest for cp so it is what the [ __ ] i'm going to go ahead and give a disclaimer before i swoop us into the topic we are talking about sensitive allegations i am not getting into facts or specifics because we don't know them we know what the charges are but i am going to read what the charges are and what the underlying law says so we are talking about issues of cp i am going to refer to it as cp1 because i'm sure i'm already demonetized and two um out of just clarity for youtube but also the nature of the charge is cp so that is what i am going to call it uh cp is in the vast realm of different forms of child exploitation it is problematic but we are going to talk about the charges and the loss so let's just swoop into this and and just let's get into it we're going to be talking for a while grab a snack i've got a lot of documents to go over with y'all so uh josh duggar got arrested yesterday april 29 2021 got arraigned april 30th 2021 in arkansas he was arrested by federal agents and is being held in custody until a bail and bond hearing on may 5th who is josh duggar some of you are like i don't know what you are talking about we talk about other types of pop culture on this channel not josh duggar josh duggar was on tlc's 19 kids and counting uh he's not been on tlc apparently since 2015 at that time allegations surfaced regarding the inappropriate behavior towards minors while he was also a minor that was never prosecuted there were statute of limitations issues with late reporting some states don't have statute of limitations for those types of crimes because of that reason because late reporting can be a thing with regard to uh improper touching with young children but those are allegations that had been out there in the past this arrest was a no bail hold until the hearing today that's not unusual particularly when the charges are a federal and be serious that there will be conditions of release conditions of release means [ __ ] you have to abide by if you are going to be out of court and there's generally money involved in that too so there are going to be uh reports and stuff done before that happens and then a hearing where both the us attorney and duggar's own attorneys will get to argue whether he should be out of custody pending trial on a certain amount of bond it could be property that's signed over to with particular conditions and today at the arraignment the judge indicated what some of those uh conditions might be and we will talk about that just in a minute but there have been these types of allegations circling around uh josh duggar it seems since at least 2015 and again i am not hugely familiar with him i know that his wife just recently announced that she was pregnant with their seventh child i'm going to share his booking photo with you real quick because that is i i i don't know what this is as a booking photo this is this is this is i don't know if it's smug if it's if it's high i don't it's a strange booking photo to me it's just a whatever i just got a new driver's license my my photo looks like a booking photo too but this is an odd booking photo for me um but it is what it is that it's just the booking photo hits weird for me and i don't know if you guys feel that way too if you do leave it in the chat or leave it down in the comments below it's just very strange the duggars are a fairly polarizing family anyway once again with the 19 kids and counting um and with regard to their particular religious beliefs it seems that that was part of the reason he was not prosecuted that the family was trying to resolve the inappropriate touchings amongst themselves um and now we are here so arrested by federal agents held no bail arraigned today i'm going to pull up the indictment and we are going to talk through what this indictment says and what the various uh parts of law mean so let's pull this up so we can all read along together and then i'll go through and give a definition of these charges we're going to read the indictment first so let's go ahead and read the indictment that's too big all right uh april 28 2021 united states district court western district of arkansas fayetteville division these are the charges against him this is joshua james duggar this is the indictment whoa it binged yo we're at 97.6 go on lawnerds there's over 4 000 of you watching just you can go ahead and subscribe if you're not subscribed we're moving forward so thank you so much indictment count one receipt of cp between on or about may 14th 2019 and on or about may 16 2019 in the western district of arkansas fayetteville defendant duggar knowingly received cp as it's defined by 18 usc 2256 we will go over that definition in a moment using any means and facility of interstate and foreign commerce that's why the feds have jurisdiction and that had been mailed and had been shipped or transported in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce by any means including computer in an attempt to do so all in violation of 18 usc section 2252 a sub a 2 and b 1. i will define those charges below the reason this is written this way is because it is alleging the aspects of the crime which involves interstate commerce generally meaning that a computer was used to transmit these types of images and he was on the receiving end of that which is why you see this say received uh cp count two possession of cp honor between may 14 2019 and may 16 2019 the same timeline as count one in arkansas this is your jurisdiction this is your location defendant knowingly possessed had literally had in their possession material that contained images of cp as the term is defined in 18 usc 2256 8b including images of miners under the age of 12. this is going to be an enhancement uh for the crime so it lets you know that this is mine not just minors under the age of 18 but miners then also under the age of 12 which in the law is a worse designation the younger the child is that had been mailed shipped or transported by any means and facility of interstate and foreign commerce and in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce by any means including computer and that was produced using materials that had been mailed and shipped and transported in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce by any means including by computer in an attempt to do so so that is the possession in violation of 18 usc 2252 a sub a5b and b2 so at at the very heart of the thing is receiving and then possessing those are the two different counts now this does not indicate how much how many images this is just images were received images were possessed these generally involve a computer but we'll talk about that in a minute forfeiture allegation the grand jury realizes that incorporates by reference all accounts above upon conviction of this court of this indictment defendant shall forfeit to the united states pursuant to the code section any visual depiction described in 18 usc any book periodical film video tape or other matter which such visual depiction basically um we're not going to let you keep any imagery that we have found we're going to go ahead and take all of that from you no matter what it is computer book magazine whatever it is we're not you can't keep this [ __ ] we're taking it and uh keeping it in evidence and not letting you have it also any property real or personal constituting or traceable to gross profits or other proceeds obtained from the offenses and the indictment it's a fairly standard term but if if anything was sold they would have alleged it but it's saying if there were any proceeds from having those then that would um also be forfeited like hey we're the government uh these are crime proceeds we're going to take it i talk about that a lot more in the gen shaw case with her federal indictment because it's more applicable there that's a financial crime versus this being actually a crime of tangible possession any real or personal property including any computer equipment and it's like whoop there it is the government's going to take all your tech and keep it used or intended to be used to commit or to promote the commission of the offenses in the indictment or traceable to any such so anything that was used to access view transmit is all going to be taken this is if we can't find the property we can substitute the property and that is that is really the end of this indictment this was an indictment after a grand jury that's what indictment means a grand jury was presented with evidence we talked about this again in the gen shot case a grand jury was seated was presented with evidence by us prosecutors only they have to present both sides of a thing they say hey this is what we have these are the crimes do you think there's enough evidence to hold this person in custody hold them over for a trial on these crimes and the grand jury was like uh yeah seems like that happened now this is not the same standard of proof you used to convict someone in a jury trial this is a more like yeah i could see that i can see that being i can see that being the case is your grand jury standard versus hell yes you did the thing hell yes hell to the yes yes you did the thing you violated the law that's your beyond the reasonable doubt that's to convict these are allegations that were proved to grand jury using that lower standard of yeah i can see it i can see it so based on what you've presented i can see that being possible we can go ahead and go to trial we can hold you over in custody which is exactly what's happening here he is in custody on these charges i am going to go ahead and define these charges for you so that we know what is actually charged what these crimes actually are so let's get into these definitions real quick it's a lot of words and i apologize for that but as to cp overall it is defined in 18 usc 2256 8 b which is literally i'm reading you the code and then we'll talk about it any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor someone under the 8 the 18 the 18 years of age visual depictions include photos videos digital or computer generated issues or issues images that there's been a lot of actual case law regarding computer generated images because these all fall under child exploitative crimes but if it's a computer image and there is no actual child does it still count here here's how the courts all came down on that yes yes it does yes yes it doesn't matter if it's a digitally creative image or a like ar image but that is a different conversation for a different day about how courts have evaluated whether well if if no child is in the photos because it's a digital rendering is a child being exploited and the courts were like no it's illegal don't do that either so computer digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual miner so like not animated and images created adapted modified but appearing to depict an identical act identifiable actual minor undeveloped film undeveloped videotape you can now get a sense of how long ago some of these laws were written and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual a visual image of a child or cp are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law and what that when you say electrically stored data it's like well if it's like the the data on the computer is it actually an image because it's actually just code this gets around that issue i'm going to note that cp regarding a minor the age federally is 18.
it does not matter if the age of consent in an individual state is different the age of consent in a given state is irrelevant it's the depiction of a minor under the age of 18 engaging in quote sexually explicit conduct and that's what's illegal also note that the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require the image is s activity it doesn't have to be activity a oh there's no way around this we're just going to define the things because it's a law channel where we're just going to define the things a picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pee if it is sufficiently suggestive now i broke this down when i talked about gabby dimartino selling photos of herself in the buff as a young child on her only fans and whether that constituted here and we had a long conversation about california's law what the law is and what suggestive means now the reason i hope a case like this doesn't go to a jury is because a jury will have to decide if the images are suggestive if the images involve sexual activity and most adults are traumatized by having to see that and even law enforcement and prosecutors who have to deal with these types of crimes have to deal with kind of the second hand trauma of dealing with images that relate to things that you know most most most the large variety large majority of people never ever ever want to see in their life and um exposure to that can be difficult the thing is with the feds the feds really don't play and a lot of these cases don't go to trial a jury's not exposed to these images it's really just uh the law enforcement officers and prosecutors that are then exposed to this in the course of prosecuting it so let's talk about what they have to prosecute count one 2252 a sub a2 of the us code is the receiving and distributing section the subsection of a a2 includes two different types of receiving in the let me pull this up real quick in the where did it go where did my i've got too many tabs open in my brain all the time this does not say distribute in count one it says knowingly received after i go through the definitions i'll talk about how this works just from my experience in prosecution and how these things kind of happen but this does not say distribute the law this subsection says receives or distributes we're only talking about receiving we're not talking about distribution here um and it's receiving nacp using any means including computer and this is the language of the law which is why the language of the indictment is what it is any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce that can be literally the internet or has been mailed or shipped or transported affecting interstate commerce by any means including computer or any material that contains cp using means of interstate commerce that has been mailed et cetera et cetera so material that contains cp or cp itself and those are the two kind of sub sects that the us attorneys will prove uh to a jury if it goes to jury trial or if it pleads that they will show the defense look these are the evidence of these charges and that they've shown the grand jury these are the evidence of these charges that subsection b1 is the sentencing provision that says that this crime carries five years minimum which means if you're convicted of this crime you start with five years of federal prison time and then a maximum of 20 years federal prison time for that one charge for charge two it's a violation of usc 2252 a sub a5b which is the possession so any person who knowingly possesses or knowingly accesses with intent to view any book magazine periodical film video tape computer disk or other material that contains images of cp that has been mailed ship transported and then all of the same language with regard to interstate commerce by any means including computer why does interstate commerce matter well when it comes to these two charges as they are in the indictment these can be prosecuted in two ways these can be prosecuted both on a federal level or prosecuted on a state level so the states have laws against this stuff too just like the feds do so for the feds to take a case and have jurisdiction over a case one they have to want to and when i say that i'm not literally i'm not being facetious they have to want to take a case the feds have plenty of work and plenty of resources and they get to cherry-pick the cases that they take and they don't mess around and it's why they barely ever lose because they take cases that are kind of a slam dunk and if they're not then they go to the state prosecutors we're going to chit-chat about this real quick if the feds are investigating a case federal officers are investigating a case that they don't think is strong eventually the federal officers will go to the local prosecutor's office and be like hi um we're not prosecuting this with the ausas but you might like to prosecute it and most state agencies are like yeah that's great we'll do that we're happy to do that and so i've been involved in a number of prosecutions where they've been large task force uh busts one of them there was four no i prosecuted 40 cases but i think there were like 60 some odd arrests made at one time in this huge operation but the the the big charges the big the big crazy charges went to the local ausas and then the 40 other cases came to me at the state prosecutor level so the feds take the larger cases cases that have quite a lot of evidence to back them up cases that are significant in some way which means to me that this case could be a bust of either this individual that they've been watching or because these dates are very specific it could be that there was an operation with regard to a particular form website dark website where they were not targeting the individuals per se they were targeting the location where individuals were sharing these things and because they were targeting where these were being shared anyone who shared images or received images during that period of time got lumped in and prosecuted with this which is why it can take time to go one by one and if that was part of an operation because in the press release this also was part of my my thought process the press release indicated that this case was put together by project safe childhood which is a nationwide initiative to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation let me pull this up real quick this is the doj their website's been terrible today but this was their press release regarding this oh my goodness sorry y'all so this was part of project safe childhood a nationwide initiative to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse launched in may 2006 by the department of justice led by u.s attorneys offices and ceos project safe childhood marshals federal state and local resources to better locate apprehend and prosecute individuals who exploit children via the internet as well as identify and rescue victims and then there's a link for more information so this indicates to me because homeland security was involved with this that they were probably targeting a particular website again this is my speculation uh from working as a prosecutor that they were probably targeting a hub where this information was being transmitted and then went one by one to track down the ip addresses and locations of the individuals who had transmitted through that central hub this is how this stuff travels around the internet by individual to individual uh sharing form sharing it's it's like it's like limewire or napster but for really nefarious awful [ __ ] and that might indicate why a the date range is so close in time because they did that operation with that date range could have been a sting operation where they swoop people in and it also makes sense to me why this might be one of the last potential indictments because if there was any ongoing investigation once this becomes public then people who are aware within that circle that this is happening become aware of him and that with the publicity that this garners because of his public uh figure status that that might be why we are now seeing in 2021 a prosecution going to grand jury and going forward that instead of in 2019 or in 2020 so there's a couple things there that indicate that this might have been some types of larger operation versus somebody who came across this on a cell phone or a computer and went whoa whoa no that's not cool and called the feds the rest of the statement from the feds said that a springdale man was arrested yesterday for receiving and possessing cp according to court documents uh joshua duggar 33 allegedly used the internet to download child sexual abuse material duggar allegedly possessed this material some of which depicts the sexual abuse of children under the age of 12 in may 2019 he's also charged by indictment with receiving and possessing cp if convicted faces up to 20 years of imprisonment fines up to 250 000 on each count a federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the u.s sentencing guidelines and other factors it talks about the prosecution who the prosecutors are and that this was part of the homeland security task force so that is what the feds had to say about it uh we've talked about the charges on it we've talked about the sentencing on the charges we've talked a little bit about how operations go down on this i wanted to show you a few of the other documents that i pulled because i thought it might be interesting to you because these are things you don't always see with regard to cases if you just look at media reporting and such they don't pull up everything because they don't spend two hours live with the lawnerds talking about this so let's get into the arrest warrant if you're curious so that you can see what that looks like oh no instead of doing the arrest warrant let's do the docket first and then go and then go item by item let's do that i reverse my own opinion so this is the docket on this case the indictment was filed in court on april 28th so this indicates to me that this was a recent indictment that was entered with the court so the grand jury just came back with that that the docket was then sealed there are other sealed items including the criminal cover sheet the citation calendar and the arrest warrant so those were all sealed the warrant would be issued based on the indictment but they don't want anyone to know that it's coming so those all stay sealed until the arrest is effectuated by law enforcement in this case homeland security so that's where you see on april 29th the entry that josh had been arrested that the arrest warrant was executed that the hearings as to josh ducker would be accessible by video conference only access to the courthouse is not allowed any non-party desiring access to the hearing should contact chambers and then they gave a way to do that um recording of these proceedings by any means is prohibited we know that very well violation of this prohibition may result in sanctions disruptive behavior will not be tolerated uh please keep devices muted so this was getting ready for that court hearing notice of attorney appearances these were the defense attorney notices because they obviously had to appear for their client who had just been arrested this is a pre-trial report that is sealed um waiver of personal appearance at arraignment just means that you can appear via video and not actually in the flesh in court that there was a motion for an attorney to appear pro hoc vice pro hawk vijay just means i am not licensed here but i have a friend and my friend is licensed here and can you please please let me appear in court that motion was then granted the case was unsealed today on the 30th the minute entry for proceedings with regard to the arraignment is that duggar was held on count one and two he pled not guilty to the indictment the attorneys were retained for him and they were present that the people appeared or the government appeared for the united states that defense counsel requests discovery in open court meaning your honor can the people please provide the discovery and then they will turn over all the digital discovery pursuant to the orders made by the court the government has seven days to provide the information defendant remains in custody of the u.s marshals service pending a hearing release on bond jury trial set for july 6th that's gonna get bumped back i would imagine um and then there is a bail hearing set for may 5th this is the order of detention we're going to pull up that document quick and then a pre-trial scheduling order that has all of the dates set including that trial date on july 6th and the pre-trial conference on july 1st again i imagine that those dates will be set back but when we come to talk about criminal prosecutions different than civil cases that we deal with on this channel there is a statutory timeline that has to be met unless the defendant waves that timeline the people could or the people or the government i will use them interchangeably could very well turn over you know a terabyte or more worth of data and you'll see the defense file emotion going hi thank you for all that information what we're going to need to do is go ahead and have some more time but that's going to be determined after may 5th when his custody status is determined whether he remains in custody or is out of custody on bond what is reported by media outlets that were there today is that if he is released on bond the judge did indicate that he would need to have a third party living with him like full time like a third party an actual third party to make sure that he adheres to conditions of his release and will not be allowed to have contact with any miners none no miners so he will have a guardian and no miners there would probably also be terms with regarding internet access and things like that now we can look at some of those uh documents that i said we were going to look at this is more just in case you are curious how how these things work and what's filed in court this is the arrest warrant with the seal of the united states from the district court you are commanded to arrest and bring to the united states magic straight judge without unnecessary law delay james joshua duggar who's accused of an offense or violation of the following document filed with the court indictment and then it gives the crimes listed in the indictment these are the reasons that you can be arrested here in this document and then the charges and then signed by the court you have to have authority to arrest someone and in this case the police didn't see a crime happening officers didn't witness it contemporaneously so arrest warrant based on the indictment is the direction that goes in this is the court's pre-trial orders and the um initial appearance arraignment and minute sheet this just goes through all the different things that happened in court today they're check boxes which makes it really easy for the court clerk to be like the defendant was read his rights the court finds the defendant received the charging document the court finds the defendant read the charging document now i saw a lot of speculation on the uh on the interwebs about why the defense attorneys didn't want the plea or the charges read out in open court there's nothing unusual about that this happened in the shaw arraignment 2 and happens in most arraignments where the court will say do you wave reading of the indictment the defendant and their attorney already know what the indictment says there's no reason for the court to read through the entire thing everyone has it but you have the absolute right to have your indictment read in open court but waiving that is very common and and not nefarious it's not that they're trying to hide what the charges are the indictment's going to be public and is now public so it's really about not wasting the judge's time not needing it to be done and it's fairly standard procedure that the defense waives the reading of the indictment this is the defendant's plea not guilty on all counts schedule setting the detention hearing the trial date and the defendant is remanded to custody of the us marshals proceedings began at 11 10 a.m ended 11 18 am all of this happened in eight minutes the attorneys appeared the defendant was advised the defendant pled not guilty they set the dates and the judge went and we're done so that's that's that's what happened this is the detention order just saying that he is ordered to remain detained without bail and there will be a detention hearing scheduled for may 5th so we will next see something happen on may 5th and the court set all of their pre-trial conferences and the rules for discovery and the government's turning over of discovery within seven days nothing unusual or out of the ordinary in these documents i pulled them in case anyone was interested but these are all the disclosures that that happen in a federal case and this is provided to the defense attorneys and to the defendant it tells the attorneys when they need to file their motions to compel the the people have a continuing duty to disclose it's just a really clean writing of everything that's going on i have not seen this in every jurisdiction but it's really actually very helpful um information about the change of plea when there's a change of plea hearing what the last date for that is before the trial setting and that's everything going on in the josh duggar indictment arraignment and the next proceedings as i said i would talk a little bit about what i thought and i kind of sprinkled that in for sure it looks like this might have been part of an operation more so than an individual turning him in that's just based on everything i've seen that could absolutely not be the case we may get more information on that we may not it's very likely that this will plea for some term of prison it could plea very quickly but the defense attorneys will have to have time to go over all of this information everyone is presumed innocent uh until proven guilty and that presumption of innocence carries through so the defense attorneys will go through and make sure evidence was collected properly and can be admitted because you can go ahead and do all of this but if you don't present if you don't preserve the evidence properly you can catch somebody in a thing and still not prosecute it because you didn't do it right there are rules society has rules there are constitutional rights that have to be adhered to and that is a very important part of this so the defense will go through and look at what has been recovered how it was recovered if it can be admitted into evidence and all of that and that's very very uh common that those things will be that those things will be re reviewed by the defense attorney so the defense will do their thing we will see what happens and we will hear more information in the detention hearing i imagine that's where we got quite a lot of information in the gen shaw indictment depending on if the defense argues it or not the defense might not argue it but either way he is going to be out of the house um away from his children i i believe his wife is pregnant with number seven and he's not going to be able to be around his kids his family's kids or any other kids so this is this is what it is uh other thoughts i'm gonna get to questions and i'm sure other thoughts will come up as i get to questions uh because that's what we're here for we're here to answer questions law is a conversation we've been talking about this for almost an hour i think we went through it pretty quick though so let's get to yo look at you you go lawn nerds there's almost 5 000 of you here if you are new to the channel and new to the lawnerds just to be a honored all you need to do is go ahead and hit that subscribe button i will be covering this as more information comes up with the legal facts not [ __ ] uh we're at 97.7 yo we're gonna have purple hair in no time just just go ahead and subscribe i'm very excited all right let's get to questions i'm gonna hit the super chats that i missed i know that's a heavy topic i try to both talk about the things plainly because they're the laws and this is what the laws say but also try to keep it i mean i don't want to say family friendly none of this is family friendly but try to keep it algorithm friendly because i do like having a youtube channel and i would like the youtube gods not to punish me for talking about crimes that people commit are alleged to have committed i'm just gonna be clear on that we are drinking lavender kombucha tonight it's very calming all right let's get into a few of these super chats i missed while i was running through all of that information um simply me mj happy early birthday emily thank you so much uh you guys give a huge thank you to the mods for capturing these for me we don't get to do that every week depending on how many people we have in the chat but the mods are fantastic um bridgette diesel said does anyone have a dog trying to get their coffee off them no just me fair enough bridget uh jamie pullman we are birthday twins five nine happy birthday thank you you have a birthday twin in the chat for sure nope ninja said happy early birthday thank you barbara smith so sorry cp has been taken for decades and child pornography is not it it's definitely not it um for sure cynthia said josh was raided two years ago at his car lot he has lived in a i think that's a metal a metal house behind his family house for the last three years he's not worked um but has six and a half kids okay katie d thank you for the super sticker kathy mowry i found out about this uh before kj ever reported about this i know the truth josh is a creep my prayers are with the family there's an unborn baby i mean i think everybody's thoughts are with his kids because no matter what happens with this this is something very very hard to recover from for a family because these allegations are very public the feds do not play and it becomes very likely that somebody could face substantial amounts of prison time and also everyone now knows your business though i think that's been out there with regards to him for a while 50 feisty and fabulous good to see you there is a victim unit that can get anna and the kids out of that family there i'm sure victim services are in touch with the family that is one of the things that victim services do and the feds have quite a lot of options for victim services uh congratulations at sleep deprived on graduation congratulations sleep deprived on your graduation sarah myers i know the lawyers will see the evidence against josh when they look if they are like oh [ __ ] do you think that they will ask or push for a plea deal why risk a trial sarah that's a very good question most federal cases don't go to trial like most um but it depends once again the only people that can offer a plea really well the judge sometimes you complete open to the court and with only two charges that could probably happen you completely open to the court you can just show up in court and be like i plead guilty sentence me um but if the prosecutors offer a plea deal that would be in conversation with the defense the defense would at some point review the evidence and let the prosecutors know that they are amenable but why risk trial these charges are very hard to go to trial on because the nature of the charges are so distasteful that juries have a hard time parsing it unless there are substantial procedural issues um where you can argue to a jury look the government did not do this right or this was a setup or this was a a sting operation done badly and this is government entrapment or something like that i'm not saying that's happening here i'm saying that those are reasons one would go to trial octonation thank you so much only 2 300 subs still purple hair is it really that many it's it that's yeah we can do 2 300 subs um 50 feisty and fabulous the victims unit has counselors that will help um undo any brainwashing i don't know what the situation is with that and she'll be able to break free i hope uh yeah i hear at least one sister is testifying i mean we're not going to know anybody testifying in this because this is possession of cp so this is very much a computer crime i know there have been other allegations but if there is a sentencing then that is generally when you would see that kind of a thing i will say i shared on twitter and if you guys don't follow me there i'm not always on twitter some days more so than others but there was a statement by the duggar family and it is only fair to share that as well the duggar family made a statement today saying we appreciate your continued prayers for our family at this time the accusations brought against josh uh joshua today are very serious it is our prayer that the truth no matter what it is will come to light and that this will be this will all be resolved in a timely manner we love josh and anna and continue to pray for their family jim bob and michelle duggar i mean it's better than most youtuber apologies you see because they do say we we want to hear the truth no matter what it is and the truth in a case like this can be very very hard let me get into as many questions as i can thank you guys for a thanking the mods thank you guys for being amazing in the chat thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you um all right so let's go through these real quick the million dollar question [Laughter] oh tracy minn soda i don't think so um chelsea's cozy corner hello yes let's make it keep dinging let's make it keep dinging this evening and maybe we'll we'll do a pilot cleanser with lawyer cat before we get to court of public opinion um thank you guys for all the love to the mods it can be difficult for sure reigning in feisty topics but you guys are great because we're just talking about the facts and i appreciate that very much be nida there is nothing in these charges oh for those of you listening in the background i sometimes forget to read the question out loud asked will his kids get taken by the police if there are no parents and no family to place them with that can happen i do not think that that's likely in this case it's likely that he will not be able to have contact with them they do seem i mean they do seem to have a lot of family around i mean a lot of family and so kids would go with family and stuff like that will uh different types of services probably be in touch with the family with regard to this maybe but there's also charges under the law that regard parents of children this is so freaking dark where the the where the nature of the images are of the defendant's own child so there are different charges for that too and in that type of a case that would be more likely that those subsections those charges are not what's alleged here this is receipt and possession but the law does have subsections if the child is one's own child um so when you say like there's a special place in hell for those charges there's actually its own subsection so because those subsections aren't pled it does lead me to believe that this was not involving their own his own children which thank god um and is receiving images and again the law does allow for digitally created images images where there like are no live actual children um so we just don't know the nature of that but all prosecutorial agencies have victim witness services and i am sure they will be in touch with the family um and and to what extent the family receives that i have no idea uh angie english hello and welcome to the law nerds in your opinion emily what do you think the odds are that the courts will actually send him to prison oh i think there's prison time in this i i don't think i don't i look um the the feds do not mess around the feds if lori laughlin went to prison if this is proven he is going to prison how long he will go to prison for the first charge is a minimum of five years so if he is convicted or pleased to charge number one it is five years to start so yes i will be floored i don't normally make predictions i would be very surprised because the only way he doesn't go to prison on this is to not be convicted of this so if he's convicted he will go to prison um nick said i've been quitting smoking for the last few weeks and your streams have really been helping congratulations nice to have a friendly voice in the background well nick i have so many hours of content i can be in the background all the time i appreciate that you like it um i will let my family know we we're actually a very chatty family you don't want to ever go to the movies with us i don't know if anyone's going to the movies again ever but we we just we do this um question is it normal to have as many law firms and lawyers as the jamie as jamie in the conservatorship case why would anyone need that money i really don't know what's typical for a conservatorship case the brittany conservatorship case has such a large and dynamic estate that you're going to have like litigation attorneys attorneys that specialize in like the business aspects so it's hard to say what's typical because her case just isn't typical it seems like a lot the court has allowed it her attorney hasn't objected to it so it it is i don't think it's i don't think there's any typical when it comes to the britney conservatorship i think that that's a great question thank you emily questions do you have any thoughts on rudy giuliani do you think an arrest could be imminent monuments to the gods of speculation i have not kept up on what the raid was regarding what the search was regarding so i have no thoughts on it yet um i might do that on a weekly roundup it's always interesting when lawyers get get rated i might do that on a weekly roundup next week i've there's been a lot going on this week and i was sick this week so i don't have thoughts question will he have to register as a sex offender um i didn't check if this particular charge carries sex offender registration hold on let me look real quick um and i don't know that off the top of my head it would be unusual to me if a conviction on this offense did not carry registration but registration normally is an outcropping of the offense i know those things better with regard to california law specifically um so i would have to look i'm looking at the language of the law right now because i have the back end of the law pulled up um interestingly enough that it to some of these charges it's an affirmative defense if you possess less than three images isn't isn't that strange we didn't talk about that earlier but there's an affirmative defense work for but it was only one i didn't know i didn't know it was cp which covers like the people who received gabby di martino's images right it was like no i didn't what i didn't think um the statute of the particular case is silent as to it but i'll look it up and let you guys know on twitter um because i would be surprised if it's five years in prison there wouldn't be registration with that but but because it is possession of imagery [Music] there there there could be a quirk there so i will look um victoria said our past offenses against children likely to make enough of a difference to avoid him being let out on bail i don't think he has any convictions there are allegations from him as a minor and it would be very very unlikely that that would come into a bail consideration what would come into a bail consideration now they can set it pretty high the feds do that other jurisdictions do not set high bail there's lots of there's lots of debate among the cash bail system in the united states but that wasn't your question so past actions are unlikely to come up because the things that will come up are likelihood to reoffend likelihood to flee if he can be monitored if he can live separately if he can have a third party he would have to have a monitor essentially living with him generally someone that he would have to pay for living with him to make sure he does not offend or you know if there's restrictions on accessing the internet accessing minors to make sure none of that happens while he's out on bail so there would be quite a lot of conditions with regard to bail but it's normally to ensure public safety and if you can do that with those other things then the court would do that um african ladies said natalie lawyer chick said a very low percentage of federal cases are found not guilty well that's true because i'll talk about that for a bit african lady it's good to see you natalie lawyer chicks just absolutely fantastic i believe she covered this earlier today i tend for me to not watch um the other lawyers who talk about the same stuff on law tube here on the youtubes until after i've talked about it because i want to give and share my thoughts and my takeaways and then see what everybody else thinks and then juxtapose that later or talk about it later in a panel setting or what have you um yeah the feds look being a federal prosecutor no shade to the federal prosecutors but they get a lot of time and resources to make sure that the cases that they are putting out in the public are cases that they are very confident they're going to win versus a state prosecutor who gets a case because a crime happened and they're like find the evidence the person's in jail and you're like oh this just happened we're building the case as we go because you're prosecuting crimes that happen contemporaneously so being a state prosecutor definitely comes with cases that are more challenging and cases where you definitely sometimes lose being a federal prosecutor is a much easier job it's got its own quirks because it's much more political it's got its own things but when it comes to the actual prosecuting of the crimes they're basically ready for trial by the time they take them to a grand jury and the prosecutors had this case for years sometimes to look at and by the time they take it to the grand jury they're like we could go to trial tomorrow [ __ ] let's ride and the defense attorneys are scrambling to get through all of the evidence and to keep up the prosecutors are ready to go they're like we could i could do this [ __ ] tomorrow let's ride so they are definitely in the greater position of power when it comes to the feds i imagine that being a defense attorney in the federal system would be very hard because you have limited time to go through everything that the government throws at you the state system's a little bit different i'm going to try to catch up with questions why is homeland security involved dear dana that's a fantastic question they are a investigatory wing of the federal government and they were the ones that were investigating this as part of the task force that was indicated in the press release the task force name is the um what is it project safe childhood so they're part of that but homeland security is an investigative wing just like the secret service is an investigative wing for certain types of crimes just like the fbi is so the fbi isn't the only investigative arm of the federal government um the homeland security increasingly is involved in these and was involved in the gen shaw case as well question would you be able to get any type of super advisor video visitation with the kids i have no idea what the court will decide to do with that i we will see if the court allows it it will be in the detention release in in that hearing question if he's convicted will he get any psychological treatment while in prison i don't know if he will choose to do that and i don't know if they will force that it's always an option in most federal prisons whether he will do that or not i don't know whether that will be ordered as part of sentence is always possible too question a part of the legal language was knowing possession what about unknowing can um someone destroy your life by sending some cp how would one react in such a situation so there are affirmative defenses in the law this is a great question molina um let me pull up the affirmative defenses that i was looking at there are some affirmative defenses i will say when it comes to i hate talking about this here's why i hate talking about this i don't want to give anyone ideas um this is something that is done in hacking and in the dark web which is part of why hacking can be difficult because if a business gets hacked one of the things hackers will do is upload a crap ton of cp to a business computer or what have you normally that leaves a footprint normally you're not going to get wrapped into an investigation like this because it's easy to track down that footprint but people do do exactly what you're asking the question is not out of left field so when it comes to affirmative defenses under the law for this it's the limited amount we talked about but also promptly and in good faith without retaining or allowing any person other than law enforcement to access a copy you took reasonable steps to destroy it reported the matter to law enforcement so if a computer system gets hacked and that's something that you suspect call law enforcement tell them what has happened keep notes of what's going on don't let anyone else access the computer because it is something that people try to do and it is something that you can actually hire people on the dark web to do i hate talking about dark web stuff because i feel like i don't a i don't want to give people ideas but i also feel like the only way we can be aware of this [ __ ] is to talk about it so i'm always torn i had a colleague at the da's office who used to say to uh their juries i'm sorry to have to do this to you but you are going to walk out of here and part of you is going to wonder why you haven't been a criminal because i'm going to explain to you what these crimes are and you're going to go oh well that's very interesting it's an interesting way to make money it's like i am not here to teach you how to be a criminal i understand sometimes especially in cyber crimes it can be fascinating so uh we can see um theresa minn soda good to see you the million dollar quest oh we did that i got to that thank you this i've found where i am in the chat now um fat farm06 said if rumors are true and someone tipped off jim bob and that's why he didn't go to the convent i don't know that there was a convention could someone get in trouble for that um tipping someone off to an arrest it's really hard to answer because it just depends um if evidence is not destroyed then there's not a ton of harm in it um and it depends on what the timing of that is because this only came down into the court system on the 28th so that's a day before and by that point they're already going to have most the digital evidence just not the physical computers um shane can his wife be held responsible for the fines if there are fines and the money is community property than in that roundabout way yes um sam i did not see you in the chat hello my friend thank you it's good to see you um corey hello from facebook i am once again behind on the live it happens i do have a question though with the charges being cp how is it responsible to let him be in a house with all the kids well he's not going to be now and if he's released on bail he won't be if the question is how did they know that this happened in 2019 and allowed him well until they have the evidence to prove it prove it you can't take someone out of their home because people have you know constitutional rights and civil liberties i mean unless you're britney spears but that's my own personal opinion um and snarkiness no snarkiness needed because people have constitutional rights you can't just take people out of their homes on allegations until you have all the evidence and cyber crimes and computer crimes can take quite a while to investigate it looks like this was investigated and turned over to the feds um you know just this week so that's that's that's what that is hopefully that answers your question and i'm gonna try to catch up a little bit um you guys have lots of questions oh hannah hill asked the same question why was he allowed around his kids while the investigation was ongoing because it's an investigation and until they have enough evidence to bring charges they are presumed innocent and you have constitutional rights again the government can't come just take you out of your home and they're like we think you thought this thing it's not minority report i mean yet uh thank you meg all right i think i am caught up thank you so much happy early birthday celebrating with a psycho imperial stout thank you celine um i'm gonna try to catch up in the chat i got behind and i got behind on some super super uh super chat lolo fc my birthday is next friday on the 7th question are they gathering additional evidence since may 2019 why did they wait two years what a force happened in those past two years and they already knew christopher i get it um it's criminal prosecutions on the federal level can move very slowly i'm going to refer back to the gen shaw one because it's one we're talking about regularly some of those allegations went on since 2012 so all the victims from like 2013 on are like um you alleged this back to 2012. it is 2021.
what if you had just arrested them in 2012 then everyone else wouldn't have been a victim i get it but also slow to prosecute preserves people's constitutional rights and that is the way that the system is designed it's to protect the constitutional rights of the defendant first and protect society second so they would have started investigating maybe not in may 2019 but they would have found evidence that tied back to may 2019 at what time they found that evidence we do not know it's very possible that this was a sting that they traced back in computer crimes in 2020 and traced it back to this particular section in time in 2019 and weren't aware of it that far back so we don't know um um question kind of off topic but if there was an allegation against someone um is that enough to arrest allegations have to have probable cause so you have to we'll do a whole fourth amendment a fourth amendment day i'll bring on a panel we'll get like natalie lawyer chicken nate the lawyer because natalie's a defense attorney the lawyer was a cop and we'll talk about things like probable cause to arrest but you have to have cause to arrest and we can go through um the lengthiness of what you need for probable cause to arrest cause just arresting somebody without probable cause is a violation of their constitutional rights and you can't go ahead and do that um would the amount of children affect his bond asked ms mia not necessarily but we will see that as a condition a bond he can't be around minors so it kind of doesn't matter i'm gonna try to catch up i got very very far behind um i think we already talked about this vanessa that homeland security homeland security this is part of what they do uh so that doesn't surprise me at all uh shaylynn said how are grand juries chosen the same way regular juries are chosen you get a subpoena to do grand jury duty instead of regular jury duty and depending on the area where you are that can be that you go um once once a day for two weeks you could go like every friday for two months sometimes some jurisdictions and panel grand juries for longer and you sit and hear case after case after case after case so they uh you get called for jury duty to do a grand jury and you get a federal um you get a federal jury summons not just a state jury summons let me know in the chatter in the comments if you've ever received a federal jury summons those states also use grand jury so you can get impaneled on a grand jury at the state level too i don't want to somebody's going to be like emily states have grandchildren yes yes they do do you think the allegations back in 2015 led the feds to investigate i have absolutely no idea it depends on how this all went down if this was part of a target on a website or if this was part of a target on him if this was part of a target on him then it's definitely possible if he got swooped into the net on the target of a website then his his own activity got him in there so so yeah that that i mean i hate to say it like netting fish but if you're if you're looking at the website you kind of net everybody that comes into the website versus targeting people one-off which is a little bit easier because if you've got the website and you can get everybody that's that's using it it's a little easier than going person by person an ip address by iphone because again to get the search warrants to get the digital evidence you have to have probable cause you all are going to be walking away going uh probable cause the fourth amendment yes we're gonna we're just gonna have it like crim law all up in here about constitutional rights question here i'm gonna move this over here so i can look that way there we go question if you were already told not to be around minors would there be a reason uh would there be a reason for sex i'm not understanding this at all for the other information the springdale police department destroyed the evidence i have no idea kathy i am sorry that i can't answer that um there would have to be a court order or something but i don't know i don't i don't know miss opinionated hello are federal grand juries government employees no the oprah winfrey show was tipped about josh in 2007. ows reported to police ows never aired the duggar episode um if fair federal grand juries are jurors they're members of the public so they're a jury of your peers presumably and they are seated through jury duty question do we know who turned them in or how do they find him that's i've talked about quite a lot this is what happens when i get behind on the chat welcome ally as a channel member good to have you i am going to try to get through questions um bella this is a great question does buying britney's perfumes actually support horror or does the money go to the wrong pockets well the money goes into her estate the estate is under the control of the conservatorship but all of the money that she has comes out of that estate too so it's a little bit of both i'm sorry for that also you guys there are over 4 000 of you i can't imagine that all of you are subscribed we're like 2 000 subs away from a hundred thousand so if you want to go ahead and watch the bigger turnover uh go ahead and hit that subscribe button because i would a sure appreciate it be ready to dye my hair purple a little bit just to piss off my mom sorry mom i know that you watch on fridays i love you you're gonna love my purple hair you're the best um so yeah let's just we're at 97. let's see if we can get to 98.
let's do it maybe we might actually get to 100k by friday i will fall i will we'll have to do something else to celebrate on friday if we get to 100k by my birthday you guys i'll let you pick we'll do something ridiculous other than dying the hair um y'all [Laughter] we're gonna have to do lawyer cat and the pirate this evening hey 97.8 all right leonards um thank you um african lady yes this our feelings it's all so much this is this goes into the it's all so [ __ ] up it's just it's just all really [ __ ] up um question bridget this is a great question in the realm of let's make people better criminals does using vpns make this sort of investigation more difficult it can make it more time consuming but it does not make it impossible the internet lives forever welcome debbie to the law nerds we do have a few chat rules but it's only so that this is the most fun place to be on the internet and people oh why why do you guys hear that i don't know why facetime was ringing through my computer but it was um my a friend of mine texted me today and sent me a photo and was like i am sitting here having my coffee scrolling through reddit why the [ __ ] am i seeing your face i'm like oh [ __ ] what did i do now um but it was funny and then i got a text this morning as well for my aunt going why are you on the aba website i'm like yeah hi i'm emily i'm places but yes the american bar association the like the big bar association over all of the lawyers uh interviewed me and i was on their podcast and on their website and stuff i was like oh the next time somebody pops off on twitter and it's like emily's a paralegal i'm going to send them the link to my article with the aba no i'm teasing i don't really care um question could the third party custodian also be there to guard that the defendant doesn't harm themselves um i mean tangentially the purpose is to make sure they deal with um that they adhere to their conditions of release but tangentially yes i would imagine that that would be a thing as well though if that was a huge concern um i don't know if the defense attorneys would argue for them to be out or if they would argue for them to be hospitalized if that is if that becomes a real concern because again and i say this a lot whenever there is um when there are shootings when there are people who take their own life these cases when they're i mean there are some states that still have the death penalty but most of these things are not death penalty cases and should go through the justice system people should be able to do their time and rehab and come out some people do not see it that way question for this specific case it's just those few days in may that are being uh investigate that are being charged it's most likely possible that there's others would that turn into a separate case boxy this is a fantastic question that touches on probably more issues than you might have considered or maybe not but if there are more things that are known to the government they have to charge them now they can't just wait and be like surprise there's more if you don't use it you lose it double jeopardy is part of that if you're aware of the charges and you bring other charges and don't bring those charges that you could have brought that could be brought in you can't do that so you can't just sit on things and bring case after case after case if they're not discovered at this point if there's not evidence to charge them at this point then yes there can be subsequent cases but if they are known to the government at this time and they have evidence of it they have to bring it now use it or lose it um i have missed a few super chats navy blue question wasn't the on yes the ashley madison situation was a few years back there was an ashley madison situation i was informed of it today again i am not the source for all of your tugger needs i am your source for the legal [ __ ] there are other channels i saw people tagging um fundy fridays on twitter and some others who was the lucky third party we don't know i don't know it depends on what the court decides to do um so it depends amino ken has cat lawyer yes we will has cat lawyer as a palette cleanser in a minute we've banged this i think two or three times tonight so yes i forget what we were at when we started were we at 97.6 and we're at 97.8 we can definitely has cat lawyer in just a minute question is it rare that a person with a conservatorship talks to the court i don't know i would have to look i've i don't follow a ton of conservatorships very closely most conservatorships are dealing with people who are mentally incapacitated to the point that they need the conservator to speak on their behalf and to act on their behalf so i don't know um it can happen it's there's room for it i just think it's in the unusual end because of what a conservatorship is normally for uh thank you victoria thank you smidge of random i'm gonna try to get to a few more questions before we move to court of public opinion you guys thank you so much for all of your shirt um hello booblessilly question if we do get summoned can we put it on a shirt for merch we will see yes we will see well no they might be copyrighted i would have to see um that is a question for the chat again i will just say these are all allegations and it's like what i said with the gen shaw case these are all allegations but also the feds bring allegations when they believe that they have a substantial weight of evidence so they are allegations that likely have a substantial weight of evidence behind them so that is what that is um question if you hit 100k by tuesday you need to dye your hair on live in star wars costume in honor of may the fourth please we will do something for may the fourth um i love may the fourth i i'm not gonna dye my hair on stream i am going to have my hair dyed not by myself um but we will if if i can if we hit well let's see when we hit 100k i will try to get in as fast as possible and i'm sure i'm sure i will be able to make that happen um kibby hello could brittany be asked could brittany ask to be released from the conservatorship do it's ev do i think it's even possible to be completely on her own she has the two conservatorships i have long thought personal opinion that she might want to be more free of the personal conservatorship the conservatorship of the individual and maybe not with the financial stuff or roll the financial stuff over to bessemer trust as like a business manager not necessarily as a conservator of the person so it could she ask for that yes but there would need to be notice to the other parties for that to happen there would need to be a hearing on it um there would need to be briefing and stuff so i would imagine her attorney would say if this is what you want to do we need to file motions i don't know what she wants to tell the court and i will have a better once we see what she says we'll know but if she asked for that the court wouldn't necessarily grant it the court would take her input and then set a hearing so it could be briefed by both sides and probably have doctor's evaluations and what have you so her attorney has made it very clear lately that he reserves the right to ask for the termina the termination of the conservatorship of the person so she could be out of the conservatorship of the person and leave the financial one under bessemer trust and ask to have her dab removed there's a lot of possibilities there um um thank you corey love to your mom and go purple hair yes i think she will love it when she sees it um [Laughter] she generally calls me after live stream but yes i was definitely being sassy um thank you so much orbit oh we can definitely do more likes we we've had over 4 000 people watching the whole night um hello ashley claire thank you i hope his sisters find some kind of piece today i i hope so too ashley and thank you for super chatting and bringing that up um look we don't have control over our families right we don't have control over our children and what they do we have control over how we respond to it i actually think that the duggar's statement on social was a good statement we want to see the truth what no matter what it is and we're we're praying for everyone that is their truth this is going to be very hard for his family i imagine it is um something that is wrapped in a tremendous amount of shame um i mean how could it not be and there's we wrap things in shame that shouldn't have shame there is place for shame in society um if this is true if you are convicted there's room for shame here this is not okay this is illegal this is really bad [ __ ] there's there's room for that here with regards to cp but that's not his family member's fault it's just like if you had a family member that was convicted of a of a dui or a dui related death or an an sa i mean it's not your fault they're your sibling and it's not your fault they've done what they've done and you can say you know this is a hard time for our family and try to deal with it but it's i i appreciate those thoughts i think that we can parse the two out because this is going to be very hard for his family and publicly um mortifying right but also these are his actions and he's going to be held accountable for them if these charges are found to be true hello illuminasi i see you in the chat good to see you question coffee and conversation what do you make of josh opening up a bunch of llc since the raid i have no idea about that and putting them all under his wife's name including proceeds from selling the family home i don't know anything about that so i have no thoughts about it um i as i said i have not done deep duggar diving because a it's not the tv that i watch and b it's not something i'm hugely familiar with but how do we know he opened them up and put them in the wife's name and the wife didn't open them up is that part of like their dynamic that i'm just not aware of maybe i watch too much housewives um hello i hope i say it right santiva major i've been subbed for a while but this is my first live welcome to your first live um heather says i was on provincial jury duty once it sounds like something out of beauty and the beast when you say it that way it was like i was on provincial jury duty it sounds so lovely jury duty here is like i had to park a mile away no that was in la it's probably not that way in tennessee i had to park a mile away and walk over like you know pigeons hanging upside down with blood dripping on the sidewalk to get to the courthouse there was a butcher i have very strong sense memories of having to park like a mile away from the courthouse in the summer as a law clerk and there was a particular butcher that had deep fried pigeon they were five dollars per pigeon and they would hang them up outside the shop um to drain them and it was hot and there was smell so it was a whole it was a whole thing it was that was a summer that was a summer um i missed two super chats i'm gonna get these and then we are going to uh and then we're gonna go from there thank you um pam duncan yeah the federal the federal prosecutors don't like to lose um it's why i tease about being a federal prosecutor being um being a little bit easier because they've got all the evidence before they start where with again the state prosecutors like a crime happens and then you have to law enforcement's tracking down witnesses and you're still doing investigation as things are moving it's a whole different vibe versus oh we got a couple years we'll just we'll just indict it when we're ready it's that is not what it's like working as a state prosecutor question can we get merch international yes in most places there's very few places where you cannot get merch international but if you are able to watch youtube you can probably get the merch and our march distributor actually has locations in south america australia and spain's um so it's pretty easy to ship there canada has been taking a little longer i'm not thrilled with that it's not canada's fault it's a distributor issue but yes we do so we have locations international too where they ship it from question okay i'm saying question just to get this out there but it seems like a lot of misconception on the process of cases in general um yes yes i should and i've covered it in a couple others and i will do it again i'll do a foundational video on it yes um all right i'm gonna do oh it's almost time for laura cat i'm going to do just a few more and then we're going to do lawyer cat um [Music] can you do a segment on the mtv reality star ronnie morag ronnie from running from jersey shore ronnie and his second dv arrest this week i i tend not to cover a lot of dv because dv is very deeply complex and victims really don't always want that in the in the the media um but i i i'm taking that under advisement um thank you molly jarvis i saw fundy friday um linked on twitter i am not familiar with their content but it's good to see the chat saying yes yes yes um beckham the mods will get you covered on how you become a channel member welcome hello lori smith it's good to see you we're gonna get over a hundred thousand it's gonna be very exciting just a it's a big milestone b um there was a joke early on in the channel with my kid being like you're not a real youtuber so you have a silver play button but it's like a fraction of youtubers that have a silver play button but we also have a spot for it right there so we're ready it's a it's a very large channel milestone um i jax 576 s yeah it looks smug to me too but it could also be bewildered but i don't i don't know there's something off for me about it too um [Laughter] katya you make it so easy it's gonna be may it's gonna be may tomorrow it's gonna be my i'm gonna make it's gonna be made jokes forever i love i love that meme so much it's gonna be my all right um [Music] uh cindy thank you well welcome i mean we haven't we haven't covered the fundies we covered the legal stuff but we cover the legal stuff in all realms of pop culture so we are here for sure all right i have missed some things i am sorry let me make sure i didn't i'm trying to get to everything uh house when how does your mom feel about your tattoos she's adjusting but it's not her preference she's not going to love it as they continue to grow well into my 40s and 50s um do you know if tlc paid for his attorney zoe drezen tlc released a statement hold on tlc released a statement i think that um us weekly has it tlc said according to us weekly quote tlc is saddened to learn about the continued troubles involving josh duggar um 19 kids and counting has not aired since 2015 tlc canceled the show on the heels of prior allegations against judge josh duggar and he has not appeared on air since then based on that statement from tlc i'm gonna go with he paid for his own attorney i don't know why tlc would pay for it um there would be no cause or reason for them to do that at all you guys to everyone whose questions i missed i am sorry i'm trying to get to the last few super chats and i know i've probably missed some and i'm sorry if i did uh it happens it happens it happens thank you lori smith it is huge i appreciate you question what is the maximum possible sentence for duggar 20 years is what it looks like brandy i don't think the receiving and possessing can be run consec uh consecutively with like 20 years for the one and 10 for the other i think they would run at the same time because they're relating to the same thing so that is what that is but it's a great question thank you all right let's um we're gonna have to get into court of public opinion for those of you that are new let me just explain to you what it is we're gonna we're gonna give it one second we're gonna do a we're gonna do a foundational lesson on what court of public opinion is court of public opinion is a fun way for us to debate more light-hearted topics and talk about how we define things how we judge things how we determine things what the things are we have covered all kinds of topics from food to food to to toilet paper to all kinds of stuff to flip-flops and no we didn't do flip-flops yet we will do flip-flops pizza and pineapple you can look on my twitter and see some of our past uh and the community tab here some very fun past court of public opinions but it's our way to a have a little bit of a little bit of fun um you can hear that i'm stumbling over my words because we've been sick all week but it's our way to have a little bit of fun talk about things that are silly and determine things like what how do we decide this issue how do we even decide what the court of public opinion believes we don't know what it all believes what is it anyway so that is why we do court of public opinion we put out a new question on friday we rule on the question on tuesday during coffee and cursey words we have been in the middle of our april apology bracket the april apology back at bracket has been quite a lot of fun hello we've switched we've done both the april apology bracket is for the worst youtuber apology video and it has been quite a lot of fun if i do say so myself me hearties drink up me hearties yo ho yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me got disneyland in california is opening again and we don't live in california still and i miss disney so much um we're gonna actually be booking disney cruises soon here i am ready to get back on the seven seas with the pirates of the caribbean and i love i love a disney cruise and we've been watching the pirates of the caribbean movies again as a family because they're great so that is what court of public opinion is we have um we have been covering the youtuber apology bracket and we have reached the final four so let me pull up the final four and let's talk court of public opinion y'all if you're not subscribed let's see if we can make it big again let's see if we can do it let's see if we can do it there's still over 4 000 of us here on this beautiful friday night um to be a loner all you have to do is hit the subscribe button we are running the the final lap to a hundred thousand it means a lot to us up here and uh and it means a lot to me so that is a great way to show your appreciation for all of the content that we put out on this channel let's get into it [Music] um what's her name 1180 have i ever been on a christmas cruise no but we have been on halloween on the high seas and it was freaking amazing it was amazing okay you guys we're in the final four of this this has been a challenge this was hard there were some hard brackets there were some very close rounds so you know we started from the bottom now we're here we started from the bottom now that we're all the way up here started from the bottom now we're here we started with tana mojo versus logan paul tana one jenna marbles versus shane dawson look y'all a lot of you didn't like jenna marbles being included the law nerds voted on who was going to be in this bracket jenna's is probably one of the best youtuber apologies which is why she was knocked out in the first round so we've got tana and shane then we had scotty syre versus laura lee's laura's as iconic as it's probably as iconic as it is terrible and then manny mua versus olivia jade manny's also was a bit more heartfelt and i actually think manny has come a long way from from the days of that apology so then we ran it down tana versus shane that one was hard for me it was like the the emotional manipulation of shane versus the angry yelling and like bad bronzer and gray hoodie and pearls of the tana mojo for me it was it was it was not easy but shane dawson won that round then laura lee versus olivia jade and i think that um the reason olivia jade won here is me and i need to double check that why does that feel wrong to me hold on we're just gonna go look real quick and see if uh if that's what happened where is my where is my twitter i think that's what happened but laura's is iconic and um yeah no it was like by a hair look at this and i'll pull it up on the community tab too laura lee beat out olivia jade here so i might have entered that wrong you guys i might have entered it wrong that's always possible let me pull up my community tab real quick this is like literally by a hair i think laura lee beat out olivia jade and i entered it in wrong on my bracket scandal a scandal let me pull up the community tab because these polls went up in two places and make sure make sure that we had it uh correct let's go let's see the scandal let's pull up the community tab all right community tab is up um you guys david dobrik jeffree star was tough some of these were really close laura so laura lee olivia jade you guys olivia jade won on youtube 52 to 48 percent with 46 000 votes but lost on twitter with 800 votes so we've got to give it to the 4 000 votes with the 52 so olivia jade beats out laura lee there we go it was close though olivia jj dawson we'll see who takes this i imagine i can't imagine it won't be shane but who knows it might be all right gabby d martino versus toddy westbrook baking my silence gabby d martino one dom dirty dom addressing the drama versus james charles holding myself accountable james's was just so bad um so bad so gabby d martino versus james james one james is now in the final four mike admitting right i'm wrong buried on like a second channel i somehow think you get extra points for burying your apology not on your main channel like you get extra points for it being hidden on another channel someday we could just run off like all of jeffree star's apologies against themselves like that we had to narrow down to even get to the bracket we had to narrow down which apology which is why they're titled because some of these youtubers have um have a uh have a lot of apologies and so we had to go through and figure out which apology had to be put into the bracket and then go from which apology runs against others so dr mike extra points for bearing it on a sub channel against david dobrik david dobrik just these were this was a hard pull because dr mike wasn't good either and i think against like dr mike against um gabby d martino he might have won but dr mike pulled against david dobrik and there you go so there's david dobrik uh jaclyn hill my lipsticks versus jeffree star again i think jacqueline might have beat some of these other ones out but jeffree stars was was close there so jeffree star versus david dobrik was really really close it was really close on both platforms and uh jeffree star won so where is where is it these were really really close this is with almost 10 000 votes at 51 to 49 just just a close close vote so now we're running off james charles versus david dobrik shane dawson versus olivia jade those polls will be up tonight after the live stream once those polls are up um we will vote on those and then on monday i will put up the the final two the finals and then tuesday we will have a result for whose is the worst youtuber apology video ever now there are some good apologies like some of these not these i mean jenna marbles and i think manny's are some of the better ones out of this group there have been youtuber apologies that are not terrible i think it's a very hard thing to do depending on a what kind of era we're in like laura lee old school youtube i think was a whole different situation like the the climate that laura lee and manny mua were apologizing in were very different than where jeffree star and james charles are um they've had a lot like james's was so recent he's had a lot of bad apologies to draw inspiration for what not to do from and and really find a way to do it his also you know admits to to crimes in my opinion shane dawson manipulates his audience olivia jade just didn't even give a [ __ ] she probably shouldn't have apologized um because well no she should have apologized but not the way that she did and she just didn't care at all so you guys tell me what you think um tell me what you think will be shane versus olivia first um give me a one for shane a two for olivia in the chat i just want to see what you guys think and then we will um then we will go to the next one so a one for shane a two for olivia who do you think wins between those two who do you think jake's baby cakes i agree with you scotty's was not an apology um at all you guys are one one one one one so for those of you watching on facebook the uh the youtubes have a lot of ones amy i like it going to get going against the green two i see some twos here one one one lots of ones in the chat lots of ones for shane over olivia jade and i think that might be how it goes when we put this up um all right james charles versus david dobrik three for james four for doverick three for james four for dobrik let me see what you guys think um shame will win but i wish olivia would get punched by reality i mean it's a fair it's a fair thing pretty little thing hello it's good to see you welcome to live we're just wrapping up quarter public opinion three three three three three oh that's a lot of threes three three three three three three i see lots of threes james charles gosh what how do you think david david dobrik's not watching any of this go down on social media james actually might be but what do you think james thinks when his his is here's the thing shane shane's versus james will be interesting if this is where we get to because james james seems to admit to crimes shane admits to being a total [ __ ] and so we're running down two different things you guys it binged again oh my word thank you well if you're still here and you're not subscribed there's still time um james like crimes shane uh i don't think there's any criminal behavior in shames but [ __ ] and and and audience manipulation and david dobrik's is also terrible and olivia's is just like oh you guys i'm blown away yes kelly three lots of dings tonight that's that's a lot of new subs thank you all the new law nerds um we've had a lot on this channel this week we ha i was sick this week we have a new video up regarding the james charles employment lawsuit so if you're interested in youtuber stuff we will i was going to the podcast is getting shifted this week but there will be a um a video up about james charles's employment lawsuit and dave ramsey's employment lawsuit because employment law is very easy um oh katya was like that's four dings thank you thank you missy and katya thank you for counting i i lose track happy birthday early may all you wish for come true thank you have a great day i appreciate it so what are we talking about um we were talking about the apologies no we were doing some housekeeping for the week so i was sick but the james charles video is up i am going to talk about the dave ramsey employment law thing and i will juxtapose the two because there's definitely room for that conversation there is going to be a new video and podcast episode up next week about all that's going on with the girardi case and a legal commentator attorney going after or asking the court if they can go after um if they can go after erica jane which is interesting i have thought so there's a lot that's going to be coming next week and maybe just maybe we will hit a hundred thousand next week we are so so close um i'm just i'm blown away by the honored support um one goddess geek you're welcome i mean i the duggars are not something i pay close attention to but with uh when you get into the criminal law space and federal indictments i find that it's there's a lot of misinformation that gets out very very quickly and it's always helpful to say this is the process these are the charges this is what they mean these are the allegations this is the indictment and then go from there so i will be keeping an eye on this i don't know what we will see if anything before may 5th i'm guessing probably not and then we will talk on may 5th or 6th about what happens at the detention hearing um and go from there so new polls will be up tonight we've talked about the members only live stream for next week we've done all the housekeeping stuff you guys have hit the like button you guys have subscribed if you haven't subscribed yet go ahead and do that this is what we do here we break down the law we me i the royal we i break down the legal side of the pop culture [ __ ] that we all want to talk about anyway and this week we all wanted to talk about this arrest in this indictment and so here we are let's uh let's see how fast this video gets demonetized by youtube i'm gonna check and see if it's already demonetized i'm gonna guess it's yo yup already yellow of course you are of course you are um and that's probably gonna happen because why not aaron hello good to see you i also can't wait for purple hair nice to see you in the chat i look forward to us getting to chat again it's so good to see you and if you guys are in la you need to be listening to aaron bender he also has a podcast sam munoz friend it's so good to see you we are so close to 100k i'm very excited you guys it's been an amazing week um i'm finally feeling better so that's a good thing and uh i appreciate all of you 100k somebody said elton john cosplay i will consider cosplay i don't think i can pull off elton john cosplay i will consider some kind of cosplay we'll have to i will i will talk to the mods and the team and the members and figure out something for the birthday stream next week maybe we'll have to put here by then who knows who knows 97.9 we're all we're gonna we're going to hit 98 maybe by tomorrow morning you guys are the best leonards i will be back next week i will be on social this weekend if anything goes crazy i will consider doing a live you know you know i love to come and chat with y'all but if stuff goes crazy and 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