Social media platforms like Facebook use algorithms that prioritize content generating the most engagement, which often means content that triggers anger and outrage, thereby amplifying negative political discourse and potentially contributing to mental health issues among users.
Social Media Algorithms and the Amplification of Outrage
Added:first up he is the co-founder of the center for humane technology and co-host of the podcast your undivided attention tristan harris back with us chris john how are you sir all right thank you for being here you know we always have you here because you are the guy who keeps it real for us on big tech so big story in the wall street journal this week about uh facebook and you know whenever i read these stories this one was about how they changed their algorithm i'm always thinking how much do our robot overlords really control us because i honestly i feel like a hamster yeah like they changed an algorithm and people acted completely differently yep what was the algorithm and what was the change so the wall street journal published this is the largest my understanding is the largest set of internal research about facebook's effects on society that were known inside the company and that they deceived from the top and it has effects across the gamut from suicidal increased suicidal ideation in girls teen girls uh mental health issues in teenagers body image issues and specifically the thing that i think you are both most interested in which is the way that it makes political parties more negative so they made a change that basically said the things that generate the most what they call meaningful social interaction which was actually just code for what generated the largest argument so you know people focus on the posts on facebook but it's the comments whatever generated the most big long comment threads that stuff got shot to the top and what that resulted in was a basically rewarding political parties for being more negative and they found evidence in poland spain taiwan india where were political parties who used to post you know you know regular facts about policies they wanted to do they couldn't get attention they had to go 80 90 negative to get the same attention so it's the anger it's the anger it's the anger and outrage that gets the eyeballs but who could have predicted this it's not like anyone was saying that you know but i mean the the facebook defendant would say it's just a town square and the people in the you're blaming them for what the people in the town square are doing and they can't help it that people are kind of shitty now i mean that's sort of the bottom line i i don't think facebook that's facebook's fault what's different is that it is a town square that's a little more like you ever been one of those movie theaters where the seats actually move because you're watching this movie where the runaway train yeah it's like that it's as if the town square actually was not passive right the town square is actually affecting how people perceive what they do it's it's part of the problem it's part of the equation yeah well i think the companies try to defend they're just holding up a mirror to society so if you have those crazy people who are going to post crazy things we're just showing the mirror of european society but the the problem is that these things are not a mirror it's more like a fun house mirror it selects for whoever says the most divisive thing and that's what shoots up to the top so we have a trillion dollar market cap company with the most powerful super computer in the world pointing an ai at your brain being like what's the next fault line in society that will maximally outrage your limbic system and whatever that answer to that question is and it's using trillions of dollars of compute power to figure that out it puts that at the center of attention for the entire world you let society run through that for 10 years and you wonder why does it look so insane and so we've all it's almost like we've been through this massive civilizational bad trip i mean we we have an entire mind warp that's taken place and you know it doesn't have to be this way but the business model of engagement that getting whatever it takes to get people engaged is the key to the equation so you seem to be saying that the biggest problem is not censorship because we do expect facebook to do some of that and we'll get into that because some of the things they've censored i don't think are right yep like the wuhan lab but before we get to that uh you're you're seen to be saying that the problem is is the bigger problem is this engagement issue yeah it's it's the anger it's not censoring stuff it's that you want these people to be chicken fighting each other all the time and that's why and that's i've said it many times people have to stop talking politics all the time we never used to do this we didn't care what kid we went to third grade with thought about brett kavanaugh yeah exactly and we shouldn't you
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