Con Artist's Guide to Snitching: Matthew Cox on Prison Ethics and Escaping the FBI's Most Wanted List

[00:00:00]foreign [Music] you got a ring on your finger Matt I know first time I've seen you with a ring on your finger well um congratulations when did you get married yeah congrats you're a married man look at you turned your life around early February just before two days before it was two days 13th no 13th of uh February 13th of February Valentine's Day I mean I feel I don't feel this I don't don't feel no different you know Jess is like you know we're married and I'm like I know what's it like I mean are you guys just did the kids live with you guys or uh Jess's daughter lives with them she does yeah okay um she's being homeschooled did you sign a prenup why I don't have anything one of us have anything yeah yeah but you got some potential out there I mean maybe you're really making a life for yourself Matt what's it like to be a guy who's on the run from the FBI for 10 years did 26 years in prison now sets it up good now look at you you're on the front you're on TV you're the face of LifeLock you're the face of Home Mortgage lock you're on half of that street what's the guy I see you on title lock I watch ESPN religiously you're on ESPN at least almost once a day I know my mom will yo she'll go Matt Cox is on TV gee you almost convinced her to buy title lock I almost had to talk her out of it and you're on Steve Bannon show you're everywhere Matt yeah yeah Steve band's probably one of my favorites because he doesn't say anything to me he doesn't even talk to you I mean he he he does his whole Spiel and then he's like and you know he he talks about home title lock and how you know horrible identity theft and aggravate Identity or and uh title theft and all these he goes on and on and on and then he's like and that's why we have Matt Cox here Mr Cox you know what what what can they do what can you know my Watchers do to protect themselves and I go well they can buy home title lock Steve and he's like that's right thank God for and then he goes on and on it's like I barely say anything I might say 10 lines in five minutes and then I I then it's over and that's it that's great I love it it's so funny that last time you were on here you mentioned that you're like what's this guy's name some guy that had something to do with Trump I go on a show and I promote home title lock I don't remember this guy's name meanwhile is Steve Bandit Jesus Christ he's about to go to jail well yeah he lost he's supposed to go to jail he's fighting it he's appealing it he's he's dragging that how much time you think that's what they said about Trump too they said he's about to go to jail but look at that they've said that for I was just thinking about that you know what's so funny is like it was for two years it was like nothing but Russia but the Russia Gator Russia investigation and then okay we don't talk about that then it was you know this and and then it was you know documents and then it was and it's like they're they tried to get him for so long I mean shouldn't you just quit at some point yeah it's not gonna happen no it's not gonna happen and then there's all that stuff coming out right now about Jeffrey Epstein there's like five five articles that came out in the last three days about Jeffrey Epstein and all this new these new documents that got released about his schedule about his calendar meeting with the head of the CIA and all that yeah but those were like he they he was supposed to meet with like that was he was on his schedule but no he met with him they literally met many times but there was also uh I guess there was um time they were supposed to meet again in the future but he died okay but he had met with him he met with him and he was like the head of the state department or something like that it was before Bill Burns was actually the head of the CIA okay but he was yeah when he this is when he was with Obama right yes yes exactly I think so and then he said and then they said um when they asked him about it he said oh it was about reintegrating into society or investing money or something was he had some some benign like out of all the people you were going to meet with of course yeah it was benign of course it was yeah yeah that's fine Hey listen Amedeo you know they talk about these uh getting a background check think about Amadeo met with President George W bush that's insane so he tell people who've gotten out of prison for for all of our new listeners who aren't familiar with who you are give them a brief background on your history let's let's sum it up I mean we did a whole podcast on this obviously in the beginning that went completely viral and made you into who you are today give us like that the elevator style pitch of uh your background you're laughing around with the FBI how long you spent in prison and how you met Amadeo I mean that was it just um you just did a great job so okay so I owned a mortgage company right I own a mortgage company and we were doing some you know light fraud changing W-2s pay stubs you know not you know I mean I I was gonna say not nothing all that sophisticated and then eventually I got in trouble for buying properties um like I would buy a house for forty thousand fifty thousand renovate the house and then sell it to my wife at the time in her maiden name so that I could get around something called seasoning well I'd done that several times and one of the Brokers that worked for me she started her own place and she got in trouble running what's called a straw man scam she wore a wire on me and then I lost my license right so FBI comes in you know they they they they call me I lose my license I I can't be a mortgage broker anymore so I start a larger scam so instead of like saying okay I'm just gonna go get a job you know and just I'll go sell used cars and you know what instead what I did was I said you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna I was on probation I got three years probation and I started making synthetic identities I started making fake people uh I would I eventually I started just by experimenting but eventually I figured out how to go into into the Social Security Administration and get them to issue me Social Security numbers for children that don't exist like a 10 month old kid by give them a fake birth certificate and a fake um so shot record no shot record and they'd issue me a social security number in any name that I said that was on the birth certificate so I get these names I would then pull the credit a few times I give them a couple secured credit cards I'd make the payments and they'd end up with like after six months they'd get like a 760 credit score 750 700 credit score something like that and so what I I then turned around I started buying houses in those names recording the value of those houses so I'd buy a house in Ybor City for fifty thousand dollars and I'd record the value of the house at 200 or 250 or 230 or 190 whatever so I bought so many houses in so many different names the whole area shot up through the roof that way my synthetic identity can buy a house for fifty thousand record the sale of that house just by paying the extra docs names um on the deed so record the sale of the house at 200 000 and because he's got perfect credit and I can provide W-2s and pay stubs and proof of uh of um his residency residency and and residential uh his history of payments he could refinance that house for let's say he could get a loan for like 180 000. we bought it for 50. so 180 minus 50 is like 130 less closing costs whatever so let's say 120. so I walk away with 120 000.

[00:07:16]I make a few payments let the house go into foreclosure and I did that each guy bought five or six houses so each guy borrowed roughly a million dollars and of course I'd also run up the credit his credit cards borrow 50 60 000 in credit cards get a couple personal loans so he gets another hundred thousand dollars ends up with like a million million point to whatever make a few payments let them all go well I did that for how long did I do that for did that for about 18 months I borrowed 11.5 million dollars in the name of a bunch of fake guys well eventually another friend of mine gets caught in a bank try and kind of in in a similar scam uh that he was working with me and somebody else and he ends up getting caught and he cooperates uh they put together a task force they watched me for three four months another buddy of mine comes to me and says listen bro he's a sheriff's deputies like I used to date this chick on the Tampa PD she's a part of a task force they're coming to arrest you the FBI is coming to arrest you so I take off on the run I go on the run I immediately go to Atlanta I rent a house from somebody I satisfy the loan on the house so it looks like there's no loan on the house so I'm now living in a house as the owner of the house I make a fake ID I get a Social Security number issued in his name I then build the credit history and I refinance that house and I pull out like 400 000 something like 350 400 400.

[00:08:42]um what else I'm wrapping it up so then I take off from there secret service is now after me so now the FBI Secret Service is after me I then turn around and I go to South Carolina and at this point I'm I'm surveying homeless people I'm getting their information I'm getting driver's licenses and their names I'm getting passports in their names I end up buying a couple houses in South Carolina I borrow 1.3 million dollars pulling out money out of that I get about 5 600 000 out of the bank I end up getting handcuffed in the bank you know question the bank oh yeah this is the best part yeah yeah so I'm pulling out cash right they're getting eight thousand uh out of seven or eight different accounts like I get eight thousand five thousand seven thousand like every other day I'm pulling out money one day I go into the bank as Gary Sullivan and two deputies walk up like I'm waiting for to get the cash and they call the police and or the sheriff and two Deputy to come out and they walk up behind me and boom they grab me by the arms yank my arms behind me put handcuffs on me bring me into the um the bank manager's office and they start questioning well they don't question me they actually wait until they call it a detective or investigate or whatever they're called they call him he shows up but they keep calling me Gary Sullivan Mr Sullivan Mr Sullivan like hey Mr Sullivan you know you're being detained we're waiting for the or for a detective to come I thought it was the FBI but he walks in and I and he says um hey the head of wachovia's that was Wachovia Bank the head of wachovia's fraud department said you're running some kind of a scam he says you got three mortgages on the same house and I went was that illegal and the guy goes he goes yeah you know he's I'm not sure and I remember thinking like I'm walking out of here and so to wrap it up so that you know to get through this so basically over the next 10 minutes we talked to the head of wachovia's fraud department and I convince the investigator that the bank has made a mistake that I couldn't do anything wrong the bank's loan officers may have done something wrong and so we go back and forth back and forth and and listen the guy from Wachovia 100 knows what's going on but he can't seem to convince this guy because I'm running an interference yeah and finally at one point he says this is really what I think he messed up at one point you know we're going back and forth back and forth and I'm like well no that's not what happened this is what happened no I don't know that's not why would I do that and so we're going back and forth and finally he says the guy from Wachovia goes listen he needs to be arrested he's running a scam he's using a fake ID look at his ID his ID starts with zero zero zero South Carolina their IDs start with zero zero zero I had gone into the South Carolina DMV and gotten a real driver's license in the name of Gary Sullivan's name so the detective says in he says no no he said our rid start with zero zero zero and I remember I lean into him and I go I said oh come on bro now I'm not Gary Sullivan I go what are we doing here and he goes I know Gary I know and literally got him there I mean like right then I was like oh yeah like this guy now he clearly knows it's a real ID and this guy's saying it's fake and he knows it's real so he didn't believe anything this guy said like everything all the credibility he'd built up just got thrown out the window yeah and I was like come on man what you know so he's like okay Gary um he ends up hanging up on Wachovia he says look I'm gonna have this guy come downtown fill out a police report and um and then I'll talk to the district attorney but I don't even know what to charge him with yeah so you need to fill you guys need to fill out a police report and you know an official Complaint and he said we'll see where what happens from there so I end up leaving and following him back to the police you know I wasn't going to do the whole because I didn't do the whole setup of the uh prostitute thing so like the guy that I had stolen his ID had been arrested multiple times for male prostitution in Las Vegas so he'd run my stuff and he actually thought so everybody there thought years earlier I'd been arrested for for um prostitution yeah in Las Vegas I hadn't but the the homeless guy had yeah so anyway I follow them back to the police station fill out a police report and um he releases me like I get my car and I leave I then go to I then go back to Charlotte North Carolina pack up my stuff drive to Houston where I was dating this chick she'd already relocated go there get into an argument with her empty the truck of all my IDs everything I have nothing on me except for an ID that I'm sure they're looking for by now um and I drive all the way back to Charlotte because I get into an argument with her and I'm just like okay we're done drive back to Charlotte on the way back to Charlotte I call the secrets I call the FBI agent try and talk about turning myself in but she's lies to me a bunch of times so then I go back to Charlotte when I go back to Charlotte um I get my car I go into a Starbucks and I almost get caught in the Starbucks from the U.S from the US Marshals I then go to Nashville Tennessee I borrow 3.5 million dollars and I'm there for about a year and a half so I was on the run for about three years and then I was there and I ended up getting caught there because Dateline NBC News was about to come out I was leaving I was cashing out a bunch of a bunch of cash out of different um different banks I was pulling money out right because this was before like Bitcoin and all that stuff like you know there was just like the only way to get cash out in 2006 is you go in the bank you ask for cash so I was pulling out cash out of multiple accounts and um my we were asking people to cash checks for us the girlfriend I was the girl I was dating at the time asked a friend of hers to pull out cash that sparked a conversation she told her who I was and she called the Secret Service and the Secret Service watched my house for a couple days and then then they arrested me like that's the re that's a short version like obviously I've left out a ton of stuff yeah but they end up arresting me I end up getting uh 26 years in prison I go to prison I get my sentence reduced twice I end up doing 13 years I was in the halfway house four years ago I called Danny to see about starting a true crime podcast because everybody said I should start a podcast because I wrote a bunch of stories when I was locked up true crime stories Danny used that to get me on the show and then never help me um and so I do this podcast like I just gotten out of halfway house I've been out a few months and he says I don't even think you were officially out yet no we talked I was in the halfway house yeah but when I got out it was like a it was like an October I got on like July you called me in October you said listen man I remember the day you came in it was a guy another podcast canceled yeah and I was like can you come in today yeah that's what because that's what you said you called me that day you're like listen like you hadn't put anything up I think in a week or two and you said I'd the guy canceled or he rescheduled yeah and you couldn't come in and he was like he's like because I had called up multiple times and asked him questions about how does YouTube work you know when I got locked up there was no YouTube yeah so I'm like how does YouTube work I don't understand how do you make money well what kind of cameras do you need you know I'm asking these questions and so when Danny called me said listen somebody canceled I need you to come in and do a podcast like today I answered all your questions like you did it you've been annoying me for two or three months now you said you come in and I need somebody to come I was like he did answer it I conned the con man of to the Stars yeah but I remember I looked at the thing and I don't know what any of these numbers mean but I remember like whatever it was that I saw like it was like a video like and I don't know how to do it right like I don't know how to do most popular most this so I looked at a few videos and like you know they had like fifteen thousand twenty thousand and I remember thinking oh I don't think it because I remember thinking like videos got millions like that's a viral video it got millions and I was like there's like 15 000 20 000 and I went nobody even watches this guy's show I'll go on his show because I was kind of nervous yeah yeah I'll go do it and see what happens good little starter right I come here it ends up getting you know 1.5 million views and it's blowing up in a month yeah and then and then people start reaching out to me saying hey we'd like you to come you know we're having a lunch or we're having a convention we'd like you to have lunch with a small group of investors just to tell your story yeah on a little obscure island in the Virgin Islands no it's Puerto Rico in Puerto Rico yeah little St James and and so I fly and they pay me like 1800 bucks and they flew me out flew me like I couldn't believe it I was like this is insane these guys are gonna pay me to come talk to them and then life is good right and now and then it becomes hey we've got a mortgage convention can you come talk to us you know and I'm like um sure how many people will be there like yeah um and then they you know we arrange for whatever it is three thousand four thousand however much to fly out tell my story over the course of 45 minutes answer some questions for 15 or 20 minutes get on a plane fly back nice so and then that's evolved I've been doing that like I'm trying to do more and more of that so if anybody's out there I speak at mortgage conventions um what do you call um cyber conventions whatever and how long did it take for um the home title lock to reach out to you and make you like the face of their brand you know who got home title I was um was Tyler really no I didn't like I literally remember I used to get up early on like a Saturday and they were always playing on Saturdays they played the infomercial and I would go watch those commercials and I'd sit there and watch them and you know they'd have a lawyer they'd have a an FBI agent they'd have a they'd have uh some victims they'd and then they'd have some guy in a hoodie that you couldn't see his face and his his voice is muffled and I remember thinking you're showing everybody except for the for the the fraudster and I thought you guys make it seem like you're doing it like cinematically like like on purpose but the truth is you guys can't find anybody to talk about this you know like like guys like me don't come out and start talking they come out and try and kind of try and reacclimate themselves or blend back into society and don't talk about it and I remember thinking those guys they need I need to be doing those commercials but I forgot about it so years later my booking agent contacts me and says Tyler Tyler yeah yeah he calls me and says listen have you ever thought ever heard at home title lock and I was like yeah and he goes well what's amazing everybody loves it yeah yeah you'd be perfect for this he's like you'd be perfect for it and he said and I said Ah that's what I think and I told me I used to watch the commercials and he goes you mind if I reach out and try and talk to them I was like sure listen an hour later I get an email from these people saying hey we'd love to talk to you when can we arrange a meeting next day I talk to him on the phone um give me a couple of days I tell her my story she looks at the the podcast uh Danny's podcast which is like at this point it's you know 1.4 1.5 one point's climbing and she says we'd love for you to fly you out to Oklahoma and shoot some commercials and like a week later no like a month or two later I'm on a plane flying to Oklahoma then they pay me to do all these spots and then listen that's not like it it just how many years ago was that was that three years ago four years ago you know what's funny that's crazy here's the funny people will say people will be like man would Danny pay you for that and I'm like nothing they're like I had a cheap money he didn't pay nothing he ain't getting nothing and I'd be like no no maybe man what do you even do that for are you serious yeah bro I haven't had a job since yeah like I got out people are buying paintings from me they buy books I got Book Sales I'm getting asked to flow now I'm getting flown all over the place right like people are so narrow-minded that they're like yeah they don't wanna like if they don't see cash right now yeah they don't see it and I didn't see it but now I realize like like I bought you Waffle House the first night I did I only only because I complained on the way here because I remember saying listen man listen I my my truck barely man or my Jeep right my Jeep right not that this one's that much better but at least this one's got it I remember the very first podcast we went to Waffle House afterwards I love Waffle House I love Waffle House too it's one of my favorite places yeah now look at you Matt yeah I'm doing good now you've been everywhere every big podcast that exists um uh I just did I just did Larry Lawton wow who Larry who said I don't um I don't interview uh snitches and sex offenders would you just we just had a cop we just had an hour and a half interview he's like well you know you Jim what you did what's his problem and uh rats um I what's his problem with them yeah probably he's a stand-up guy and you know he doesn't like him that's like they're not okay with sociopathy I don't even know what that means sociopath sociopath oh okay but what we mean they're not who's well they're not okay with like a recognizing that their own sociopathic values like you are like you you you're a self-admitted narcissist sociopath which is you're okay with uh yeah you're okay with the fact that you ratted people out but you mean you mean Larry Lawton what's his problem and his problem is that what you're saying no I mean like what did he say to you like what was his he didn't that's what I'm saying I really expected like a confrontation um I brought I brought Jess with me you know just in case you got yeah I need to use it down a little bit no I thought she could take him um and and no you should probably like I'm not gonna do well but Jess is tough so nah bro you look at you you're freaking you're Jack diesel this is this is this is this is all new shirt that shirt just came off the racks at Nordstrom that is a brand new t-shirt like Target um so so anyway we go and we yeah he he I kept waiting for him to I was when we got to that point I thought he was gonna say a be like you what and he was like yeah you understand you know they always these people already snitching on you you're in a bad spot I was like that wasn't what I expected from him at all and he said I have kind of changed my I've softened to softened as I've gotten older I've kind of changed my yeah you probably hear a lot of stories what is have you ever heard of the prisoner's dilemma yes yes that's a Fame that he won the Nobel pot uh what is that Nash can you find out who who came up with that the prisoner's dilemma it's fascinating I just heard it like articulated beautifully in a book I was just reading they they um they compare it to mutually assured destruction with nuclear bombs yeah it's a Nash that's not it um his last name is Nash the guy Beautiful Mind oh really A Beautiful Mind the guy who that was based on his last name is Nash he was a mathematician oh you did Michael studied with his grad students wow that's cool that's cool anyways so can you explain what that is like what the idea is it's basically like you have two people who who collaborated in a crime right you separate them right and you talk to one of them and you say look if you don't give me the stuff if you you have two options you can a you can give me this information and reduce get yourself off basically save yourself right and you're gonna have to give up this guy right or this guy's gonna do the same thing to you like you present them both the same thing and each one thinks that what if I don't give him up he's probably gonna give me up right and they're both thinking the same thing right but I think the third I think you're zoom in on it a little bit the prisoner's dilemma is a game analyzing in Game Theory it is a thought experiment the challenge is two completely rational agents to a dilemma they can cooperate members of a lower lower okay there you go two okay there's two members of a criminal yeah you go ahead and read it hell no I two members of a criminal gang A and B are arrested and imprisoned each prisoner is in solitary confinement with no means of communication with their partner the principal chart the principal charge would lead to a sentence of 10 years in prison however the police do not have evidence for the conviction their plan is to sentence both to two years in prison on a lesser charge but offer each prisoner a Faustian bargain if one of them confesses to the crime of the principal charge betraying the other they will be pardoned and free to leave while the other must serve the entirety of the sentence instead of just scroll down scroll down instead of just two years for the Lesser charge um this leads to a possible of four different outcomes number one if a and b both remain silent they will each serve the Lesser charge of two years in prison B if a betrays b b if a betrays b but B remains silent a will be set free and B will serve 10 years option number three if a remains silent but b betrays a a will serve 10 years but B will be set free option number four if a and b both betray each other they share the sentence and share five years each yeah that was that's very uh very interesting so most prisoners what do they choose out of these four options Matt like 90 95 they're probably supposed to saved on each other right now they well the problem is that the scenario doesn't necessarily really work in the real world because if I snitch on you who do you snitch on they're like we already got you they don't even they don't need you they're not giving you both five years yeah they just need one person that's right now you're doing ten yeah I'll walk away you do 10. yeah I put money on your books so it's just the first one that snitches right but in this scenario where there's two people like this it's usually There's Always 99 of the time somebody snitches um I I it's it's like it's probably 90 95 here's the problem is that the statistics say that's like it's like 87 88 but the problem with that is that doesn't mean that they didn't they didn't quite the other guys did that only 88 cooperated it means that 88 got the cooperation so you and I both might have cooperated right but I get the cooperation and they say yeah you did tell on them but that was three days later and you're the king too late it's too late this guy is going to give you up and you're the bigger fish so you don't get any cooperation you're doing 10 years he's going free and by the way almost nobody goes free like you're probably still doing two you're still doing it too yeah right which is better than it's better than five it's better than ten yeah right and you you were even Beyond any of these options because you were aggressively going out and seeking opportunities to wrap people out in prisons people that you had no involvement with nice wow nice wow that's actually not true by the way that's not what happened oh really yeah it was it I was just writing stories like this guy at one point I'm walking around the compound with him and he says he asked you if you could he could trust you yeah at least you were honest keep in mind I just loved that I had just gotten back from getting seven years off my sentence for cooperation yeah and then I come back a month or so later I'm walking around the compound with this guy who's also cooperating against some uh his co-defendants and he keeps saying he ran a Ponzi scheme his name was Ron Wilson and he kept saying um yeah they're never going to give me any cooperation I'm like yeah these guys are going to arrest these guys they're gonna indict them they're gonna plead guilty they're gonna be fine they're gonna reduce your sentence nah you don't understand like what are you talking about and he goes they think I hid Ponzi scheme money I'm like well they'd have to find the Ponzi scheme money and you didn't actually did you and he's like no and I go well right so you didn't hide it they'd have to find it prove that you were lying in order to not give you something and he said no no they're gonna me out of the cooperation I was like okay well that's not possible and if it is then we'll hide we'll get this there was a guy Frank Amadeo Frank will not scoot that we're just not here no sorry Frank will Frank will get you yeah Franco will get them Force the government to reduce your sentence so that goes on and then let's say like let's say two weeks later um comes up again and then a month later it comes up again I go you know you keep saying this like they would have to find the money and I said there's no money so that's not gonna happen and he sat there and we were walking and he goes can I trust you then I went probably not and he goes I did hide some money I gave you know my uh my my wife I gave her it was like 150 000. he's like but the problem is she found out since then she found out he was having an affair and she we're getting a divorce she hates my guts my fear is she's going to turn the money in just so I don't get any time off my sentence and he said and my brother's got like 30 grand I was like okay like it's not even like 200 let's like less than two hundred thousand and I didn't like he won it fell in my lap and I didn't do anything right away that's what always listen I almost feel bad about that I always feel like you're an idiot you should have immediately gone to the phones but I didn't because I thought you're not running to the phone right now like like in the middle he just says it and I go what and then I just start writing doing like the windmill all the way Frank meet me at the phone but but what happened was I remember thinking the government didn't want to reduce my sentence the first time when they promised to so like they're not like first of all they're not gonna they're not gonna do anything for this this is a couple hundred thousand dollars and that's if they go there and these people admit it and I doubt they will so I was like well listen they're not gonna say anything don't worry about it and so we have the conversation no big deal like a month later my lawyer was supposed to send me my transcripts from when I'd been resentenced she never did so I call her hey what's up I said you never sent the transcripts it's like oh man I'm so sorry I'll do it and whatever okay fine you got lost in the shuffle yeah right so we we're talk so I said okay okay that's cool please you know please don't forget she's the No No I will I'm gonna send them I'm gonna go on right now and okay and so we're talking and she goes um and she says so what's what's going on and I go what do you what do you mean he says what's happening in there anything happening and I thought like this is this chicken this woman never wanted to talk to me yeah when she was representing me she didn't want to talk to me she damn sure doesn't now she her job's done yeah and she goes yeah anything happening and I went no like and I went well you know something weird happened the other day listen to this and she goes what's the guy's name I told her what happened she's what's his name I go Ron Wilson she looks him up Ron Wilson she goes oh wow this is a big deal there's a lot of Articles oh this is a bad guy we got like nine hunches he's got like 900 victims like he stole from churches and stuff and she's going on and on like I don't know I've never ordered anything on the guy and she's like oh wow she's like yeah yeah she goes let me make a call a couple calls and I was like okay like she never really wanted to just chatted you up yeah and I was like okay I hang up the phone I don't even think about it again a week later a correctional officer comes up to me goes hey Cox and I go yeah what's up he goes next move you got to go to Sis now sis is internal security right like they're the special Investigative Services and they investigate like the other cops they investigate they do like investigations against like people bringing in drugs whatever and I was like um okay or if you're cooperating like against other inmates will cooperate against each other or whatever the case may be you know cell phones like hey that guy's got a cell phone whatever and I was like um okay so I go to sis and everybody knows that's that's what yeah if you're going out but here's the thing I was writing people's stories uh so sis called me eventually every once in a while maybe every month or so they go Cox go to Sis I'd be like okay so I go to Sis I'd go what's up and they go hold on Cox lit we got a Freedom of Information Act you've ordered on this guy and they'd be like here this guy John boziak like what's going on you're not allowed to have his stuff I'm like no no no I'm allowed to have that's and then I'd explain I'm writing a story on that guy you got to give me that that I need that I need that I need me they get well what's the story because I'd had some guys in Rolling Stone magazine and you know I'd been in some magazines they knew I was writing stories they knew I had a book deal so they're like well what's the story and I tell them the story and they go okay here you can have it so I go there thinking they just caught something in the mail open the door they go sit go stand in that room I'm like okay I walk in I walk in the room there's a fat Co there and he goes sit down I'm like okay dial stuff this is how they talk to you sit down all right they dial the phone yeah yeah I got them right here all right hold on here talk to this guy I'm like okay like he didn't tell me yeah you're like what the going on guy goes this is Agent you know whatever I remember his last name is Griffith this is Tom I think it's time because this is Tom Griffin with the Secret Service I understand that you know where Ron Wilson hid some Ponzi scheme money I'm like oh I said whoa whoa I need something in writing I need um I was like yeah I'll get you something right well what do you have I said no no no no like yeah I have you guys involved watching me multiple times and I was like no no I need something in writing I need and so I explain it to him I need something writing from the U.S attorney and and I said listen it's not Millions he goes well how much is that he goes not Millions he is a half a million it's not Millions okay it's a few hundred thousand dollars but I do know where where it is and the people uh Wilson seems to think that they're going to give it up if you even ask for it and he goes okay I'll get you I'll get you something so we end up emailing each other he gets me something from the U.S attorney's office um saying that they will reduce my sentence if there are arrests or if there's an indictment arrests or a significant amount of money is recovered you know who that's pretty all that's pretty simple whatever that's supposed to be right so I explained this is what he told me they turn around they request interviews from both of those people I'm the the wife who at that point they're they're getting I don't know if they were divorced yet but they were getting divorced and his brother his wife comes in and turns over remember he said 150 000 in cash she comes in and turns over 350 000.

[00:36:19]the brother comes in the next day and walks in and turns in uh 150 so it's half a million dollars and some of it's like silver um you know ingots and you know because he was a silver it was a precious metals dealer so she's got gold coin she's got so it's mostly cash but there's also probably a hundred thousand between the two of them in gold and silver and whatever so it's a half a million dollars and listen like a couple weeks later Wilson comes to me and he goes they indicted me I'm like no they indicted you he's like yeah that's crazy whatever what my wife they called my wife and my brother how did they know I don't know like that's crazy and he's like yeah I've been indicted and I'm like okay and so they put him on a bus bring him back to South Carolina he pleads guilty because he's done and he gets six months added on to his sentence is it ex-wife gets like six months probation and the brother gets like six months probation and like I think the wife got a hundred community service hours like neither one of them became felons it was their sentence was under a year so you're in the federal system if it's over a year you're a felon it's under you're not so both their sentences were under they're both um and it was for obstruction of justice they were charged with obstruction of justice so was Wilson Wilson got six months he already had 19 and a half years now he's got 20.

[00:37:52]turn around go to the U.S attorney hey you said you reduce my sentence if there was a substantial amount of money recovered arrests or indictments there was all of those and they said yeah it's not really enough but first I said they said we don't really we don't know what are you talking what's he talking about we don't know what Cox is talking about so I had to file a motion with the court well Frank Amadeus filed a motion with the court 2255. they said we don't even know what he's talking about your honor we sent him a copy of the letter the judge says yeah evidentiary hearing or something like that and you know you guys are gonna we'd have to figure this out and so they immediately come back and they say look we'll reduce your sentence we'll give you I forget what is one level off we argue we end up with three levels off which was five more years six months later I get five years knocked off my sentence you get six months added he got six months added but then covet happened and he got released he's home now oh really you've been home since Kobe he's been home for a couple years where's he live South Carolina he'd be a great guess yeah listen let me let me tell you something it didn't he didn't like uh something happened somebody said he like thanked you or something later on right this is what's so funny so I've heard two things the I that story is true but then I'll tell you something another one too which is the opposite so what happened is um probably whatever five four five months after he was sentenced I'm standing there waiting for count right I'm staying at my cell okay and you know the the you've seen prison shows right like you know they're just let's just door after door you know while we don't have doors this was at a low so there's just it's just an open oh kind of an open Bay but they have you have like you're like at a cubicle but it's concrete block so you're standing there waiting for the cop to walk by and count and you're standing there and this new guy had just gotten there black guy he's still wearing his he's still wearing his uh um the bus clothes they ship you in and he's staying in there and I'm standing there and he looks up at me goes hey there's not a lot of white guys in prison so if you ask like hey you know where Dan you know you know you know where Danny is like there's a good chance the white guy's like yeah there's like four days white dannies yeah so he goes hey and I go yo what's up and he goes he was uh you know a guy named Cox and I went yeah what do you need and he goes I got a message from uh from uh Ron Wilson and I looked at him and I went and I'm thinking this is going to be a problem yeah this is where the movie goes bad yeah this is where I get stabbed like I'm already looking at his hands I'm like okay and I went yeah I said I'm Matt Cox he's get the out of this I don't know I'm in that Cox I said what's up and he goes no seriously I pull out my ID and he goes holy she's gonna laugh he's okay he said um yeah I got a message from him and I said what's that we're still waiting for the count for the cop like he's counting the other unit he'll be here in five minutes or two minutes who knows and he goes he said he um and he looks around right because he realizes what we're talking about is pretty dicey and he kind of looks around and he goes he wants he said I was locked up in South Carolina with them and I went okay He said he want he goes he wanted he told me he was because he knew I was coming to Coleman to the low and he said to look you up and he told me to tell you that um he understands what you did he's not angry he hopes you get as much time off as you can now by this point I'd already got my time off and he goes hopes you get as much time off as you can and he wanted to let you know he's at peace he's Found Jesus and I went he was a religious kind of kind of a religious guy anyway and I went okay I said all right and he goes yeah and I said is this going to be an issue like am I going to hear that you're telling everybody this and he goes nah he said let me put it this way he said bro he said I'm gonna he said he said something like he is I just got you know six years or something he said but I he was but I plan on being out of here in a few months like that he's and I said ah anyways that's between you and me I said absolutely he said but I Wilson told me about you and the whole thing he's like I got you I understand I said all right that guy was gone two months later yeah two months later and I would see him like we walk by each other he'd look up he'd go what's up like what's up one day boom he's on this so you know how he how he got out no he had snitched on a bunch of people he'd already testified at several trials he was just waiting for those people to get sentenced and then then so what's funny is so that's what I had always heard that Wilson didn't have an issue that right you're all like so then what happened was I'd say oh never mind then I did an interview with a guy that I was locked up with this guy named Chris Marrero he's like a sovereign Citizen and we're doing an interview was maybe it was before the interview and Chris had been moved to I don't know if it was but no it was Yazoo Yazoo or Butner I forget but he had been moved and he was locked up with Wilson I said hey I said you will lock that with Wilson and he goes yeah yeah he's yeah he told me he told me about you about what happened I said ah you know it is what it is and I'm laughing about he said boy he hates you and I go really I said I told him what had happened and he said he goes well I mean maybe that's true he said but when I mentioned you I said hey you know what's up I said um I asked him if he was still in communication with you and he goes and he said what did he say um that piece of or something like that like he really he's oh really just you know uh that he snitched me out and I'm which always kills me he was in the middle of snitching out two guys on his case like you were in the middle of snitching so you snitched but didn't you snitch you yeah what are you doing you just had a bad day right oh man so that's what Chris told me oh yeah he hates your guts like so I was like okay well that's completely at odds with what the black guy told me um we need to get to the bottom what do you how do you talk to people who are like extremely uncomfortable with you admitting to be as being a snitch like that guy that one guy you did a podcast with like when they get really upset about you being a snitch and who starts sweating Big Hurt Big Hurt yeah like what is your how do you how do you rationalize it to them um I mean I rationalize it because here's the problem with those guys those guys always turn around and say that well uh the code of the street like and that's where just right then it's like stop it like they're trying to say hey there's a moral code among inmate or among prisoners or criminals that say you don't cooperate against other criminals but the truth is if you're a criminal you don't really have a moral code if you're a moral person or a code of ethics like you would be working two jobs to pay your bills and not robbing banks so for you to sit here and say hey I'm a moral person I'm I have a code yeah but there's a difference between like over a friend or a fellow human being versus just not obeying the laws that are put into place by our country or our government but who am I who am I over another Criminal you think he wouldn't know that he's a criminal defined by the government he's still another he's still another human being he's a could be a friend yeah there's a difference between like selling drugs and like destroying your friend's life well wait a minute my friend's committing fraud or my friend is selling drugs with me I'm not randomly saying hey I'm gonna go pick somebody and say this guy who works at Walmart as a cashier has never done anything wrong I'm gonna say he sells drugs with me like I'm not gonna do that but if you and I run into a run into a bank together and we run out and I get caught and you take off and I'm looking at 15 years and you're not answering my calls anymore you're done you're done yeah I mean yeah but what if we're both caught what if we're both in prison and we're in the prisoner's dilemma and we're both separated and you'd better hope they talk to you before they I mean I don't know what to say you know I know that I mean the appropriate thing to say is you know I would never here's the thing do you remember the guy oh that's right um okay I interviewed a guy the other day that gave up like 11 million dollars in gold to the government to try to get out of prison and they reduce the sentence they got them out now when we were talking during the interview he said you know they caught me and they got me in the room they wanted me to snitch but I was like I'd rather die I'd rather die than snitch and I was like right right he's like you know you know what I'm saying I said no I don't I said bro I said I I dull on anybody you made a mistake there and he kind of like stopped and he went um well so so I and he didn't obviously doesn't realize my stance on it yeah so he just kept going and said you know they they asked for this much money back he gave him that they wouldn't like gave him like whatever he gave him like three or four million in gold they said nah you got more because somebody else was cooperating um and they said no you got more and so he takes and we finally he said after a month or so I finally went man I I can't do this so he said I went and I gave him the rest of the money I said okay and he said you know and so then like a couple days later they let me out they they gave me uh they gave him a a minor sentence and he ended up getting out of prison I'm forget exactly what he ended up getting but it was instead of the 15 or 20 years he got next to nothing and he got out so the point is that so that's what he was saying right like yeah you know this and that I would never I would never and then when it was all over and the the cameras were off I looked at him I said you know you up by giving him all that money back and not just cooperating against all those people same people that are cooperating against you I said and he goes and you know I said I mean I hear what you said you'd rather die you die he said well that's how I felt then he said but after going to prison and after what happened with all those people and realizing that everybody was cooperating against me he said even after I got sentenced people would get arrested that I didn't tell on and they would cooperate against me they'd try and get me up on something else he said um I just he said at that point I realized like yeah he said I I really up he said and I said you know what I said I'll bet you all those people you didn't cooperate against I bet you none of them contacted you none of them came to visit you none of them put money on your books they don't answer my calls I said right so for a bunch of scumbag piece of that wouldn't even talk to you anymore they expected you to take the whole rap and they run off and I'm left here it's not like you guys are putting money on my books you're helping my mom you're going by to see how my ex-wife is you're going by to help you know with Mike with the kids no you're saying you got caught go yourself see ya the you and then then if it's every man so they're saying it's every man for himself you're right it is but watch this and next thing you know you start cooperating they all get knocked off you get a bunch of time off your sentence still got a few million in gold yeah exactly like that guy could have cooperated and kept the money and that's what he says about I wish I I and he said I wish I had cooperated and kept the money but he didn't know that at the time he was still believing that whole code and listen all of these guys that I talk to say the same thing and there are guys I know that I'll interview and they'll say yeah you know they gave me 10 years and I'm just like maybe 10 years like the man you've been arrested four times you've been in prison four times you've been like the mandatory minimum is 20. on that many kilos of meth how'd you get 20 you know you got tickets but I don't say anything because I know what they want to do it's the same thing Big Hurt does he doesn't question some guy says he robbed 10 Banks and he got five years stop it bro stop it you put people hostage you did home invasions you got five years yeah and then they yeah my could have finished they snitched on me they okay typically what happens is when it's all over I realize like I'm not gonna ouch you you don't want to say that's fine but when it's all over I say bro come on man you got and they usually go well you know I watch like I'm gonna tell you but you don't want anybody to know okay I understand and then they say well yeah here's what happened listen half the stories that I've written either they admit to it and the ones that won't admit it I know the truth like I got all your paperwork in you're walking around saying you're a solid guy and it's like but you had a 20-year mandatory minimum you got 10 years what's I read your sentencing trains what's that about what's up with the 5K wanted they're like hey hey hey hey hey hey hey where'd you get that yeah don't say 5k1 that's a sentence reduction like don't say 5K one I'm I'm walking around the compound telling everybody they're snitches you know and then I'm a stand-up guy like it's like you're not even man enough to just to even admit to it so one you cooperated now you won't even say it yeah now you're telling everybody else oh you that dude over there yeah I think he snitched you snitched shut up like just just be quiet that's what that guy John a light said when he was in here and he was at some sort of RICO case right and he said that there was like an endless laundry list of mob guys that snitched on him to get out yeah which him well listen the and they were they were all guys that were like high level Mafia dudes of course and those are the guys that are most outspoken about like snitching yeah snitches get snit stitches or yeah they get buried in the desert you know and this is the other thing about that is like if you're a high right like these are guys that it could be dangerous to tell on each other like these these are white collar guys they're not hurting anybody they're not gonna like once you're worried am I worried about the banker the banker he's gonna come and do a hit on me because he got five years or he got six extra months Banker he fills out paperwork he's harmless it'd be different if these were murderers or gangsters or you know monsters that are shooting well then you could be like yeah they might hurt my family that's another thing like that always kills me too like well I don't want to say anything they might kill my they might kill my family like like these are the people you're protecting people that you're worried that might kill your family these are good guys these are scumbags I cut anybody's throat to get out of her straight up I love it do me a favor look at me and then look directly at that camera and say I'd cut anybody's throat to get out of prison I'd cut anybody's throat to get out of prison that's a good one that's it that's great there's a yeah what your tick tocks got I noticed them several of my Clips have millions oh yeah I just we just posted one a couple days ago that has like I just looked I just noticed today it has five million views not a tick tock it's a YouTube short YouTube million views in like a week yeah that's how many subscribers do you have now uh I don't know if it's like almost there's like 600 and something 600 and change on the main Channel and then it's like 300 000. I I have 300 on the clip Channel that's insane I have I have 77 000 subscribers not that I'm complaining but it's not 600 000 like that's insane and I have these people that clip my stuff and put them up and they got like three million hits five million seven million four million is like what is going on you're doing more views on their clips than you are I got guys entire channels I mean you know four five six thousand you know they just started a channel ran a couple interviewed me ran a couple of clips that all helps though that all helps you it doesn't I mean maybe not directly but it definitely not right now I don't know if you've picked this up but I'm not really a big fan of helping other people because it benefits me you know I don't know anybody out there helping me going out of their way let me do this to help actually that's not true there's this guy this Canadian guy that started my my Tick Tock account got taken down and he started a tick tock count for me five months ago maybe and it's got It's got um it's got over a hundred thousand follow a hundred thousand followers in like five months nice yeah yeah but then he got busy and can't do it anymore so I had to get somebody else and he did that for free cut him up and said look man he said can I start doing I'd like to do this for you I'm like why I can't pay you and he was like no no I just want to do it I just think I can I think I can run up your numbers that's great yeah you got people that like you you got people that follow you they're hardcore fans they believe in what you're doing and they connect with you because you're a great Storyteller they believe in what you're doing what am I doing they're telling stories you're talking to people interviewing people spreading a word you're doing these guys that send me things saying you're inspirational what are you talking about I've never said anything inspirational in my life like I'm not making an attempt to be inspirational title luck you're inspirational because of your incredible physique Matt Cox I want to know the secret behind what is your what is your workout routine what are you eating I mean the basics test d-ball he just goes on them dude is insane so what do you want what kind of what's your uh protocol right now what are you are you waking up at 5am every day and hitting the iron or what no wake up it I wake up about three three this morning I woke up at like 3 30. you're like Jocko you're like the Jocko of True Crime so I wake up and I write for you know I write for a couple hours two three hours and then um then Jess gets up she's three to six um yeah well usually probably from let's say three to five because around five Jess comes down the stairs and makes coffee um and she'll make me a cup of coffee and then she'll sit there and we'll talk for a little bit a little on and off she plays on Facebook and we kind of talk and then she goes up and she gets her daughter up and then by six Yeah by six o'clock we um we walk out the door and we go to the gym what do you write about when you wake up um I mean I'm still like does she start writing or do you like pick things no no I'm I'm working on like I'm working on three different stories right now so one of them is consolidating that one story and one of and I don't always do that like I I sometimes I'll write like somebody will pay me to do like a press release and I'll write a press release or they'll ask me to write a story like a ghost writer story you know it's all ghost write a story for somebody um and then they pay me and then so it's not always you know it's not or sometimes I'll wake up like it's I'd say three days out of the week maybe four days out of the week I'm probably four days out of the week I'm writing so maybe the other two or three days Mike I might come downstairs and and do something regarding painting or or fill out bills or answer emails or sometimes I'll just grab my phone and start answering comments like I'll answer like 40 comments 50 comments and you know and then but usually because here's the thing I'm I'm working with my buddy Pete right in person right and he does research and he sends it to me and then I pull it off the email put it into um a word document and then I consolidate it because he'll send me he'll send me like a thousand words that really honestly I need like 150 200.

[00:57:43]what is he researching he's researching that that listen that same story I started um the same time of the pandemic and then we just kind of stopped working on it then we started working it was the Chinese it's the Chinese story about um that that where these the um what do you call it the uh the Chinese Triad and in California they started hitting this is back in the night early 90s they started robbing um computer chip manufacturing plants in the United States throughout the United States like they did by probably maybe 20 25 to 30 different warehouses um sorry manufacturing plants they go in they zip tied 15 employees at two o'clock in the morning they load up 10 000 Intel processing chips into a couple of Vans and then they drive off and then they go sell them for you know maybe it's 10 million dollars worth of chips they sell them for like six million dollars the Chinese would ship them back to China put them into computers and then ship them back to the United States like the whole Chinese startup of building their whole tech industry was built on stealing computer chips in the United States and shipping them back to China to then ship them back to sell them to the tonight when was this back in the it was late 80s early 90s wow listen it was so bad that that Bill Clinton ended up making a presidential what do they call it not a presidential order what do they call it you know they do um can you pull up something on this for this where he signed that yeah you know they they signed into law because if it's National Security then they can just sign it's a presidential I want to say decree I'm saying it wrong anyway he signs it where he says listen it was so bad he says from now on all computer chip manufacturers have to have armed guards because they were getting robbed left and right and so then then these guys turn around they start hitting the trucks so now they wait for him to load up the trucks and then they just hit the truck's over absolutely um and anyway it's it's a super cool story the name of the guy was uh John Long but I mean I whether there's something on it specifically or not John Long who is John Long John long is that the guy that was arranging all of these really this guy's got two life sentences what plus probably 150 years he's in a pen he's never getting out I talked to him on the phone a couple of times hardcore gangster I mean they were making millions and millions we're talking we're talking about like a 25 year old kid 25 6 26 year old and he's getting directly paid by China like he's getting paid through intermediaries like it's not like Gigi ping was cutting him a check or you know walking over here but yeah so um I wonder if you put computer chip Chinese computer chip Heist what when are no that's 2016. John Long John Clinton John Long computer chip Heist well listen they got they it was multiple different times that they got arrested so like they didn't all get arrested at the same time What is the title is robbers of Silicon Valley striking high-tech companies every 10 days or so making off with computer chips and other components worth more than their weight in gold yeah with workers terrorized and losses in millions the FBI and the San Jose police began an undercover operation 18 months ago by today in the wake of the biggest Crackdown on thieves of computer components in the country dozens of suspected high-tech brigands were under arrest caught in a sweeping raid that involved more than 500 police and Federal Federal officers on Wednesday whoa the operation led to more than 120 arrests mainly in Silicon Valley about 45 of them on Wednesday and they rest over recent months the authorities said today hmm but do we still make computer chips in the US we don't make them right they make them all in Taiwan now yeah right those are the no those are the semiconductors those not the same thing right well well I mean the United States makes I'm sure they make some of them but something like 80 of all computer chips are made in uh in Taiwan and there are chips made in China but they're low-level chips like they might be chips that you put in a refrigerator or right right these are not super sophisticated what are the ones that are made in Taiwan where what's the like stuff that goes into those it goes in your car they go into computer you know like your computers your cell phones like you know and they'll ship them over to like China and the Chinese are you know they'll put them into the like they're like they're workers they're not super sophisticated that's the problem with what they keep saying like if they invade Taiwan they're not gonna bomb the crap out of Taiwan because they want to invade it because they obviously want right their they want the at least they want the factories and everything put in place the problem is even if they get over there they can't if they kill too many people they can't necessarily run the factories so they don't they don't want to bomb the factories either right they should they showed some sort of animation of like all these bases in China basically like sending missiles over the over the water and like hitting Taiwan like some sort of threat simulation that they like posted right but that's the problem is like so you've gotta if you bomb the hell out of them then you've taken over the island but I mean you've destroyed first of all it's all up it's all up and then then they've already seen what what they did in uh in Ukraine right like like Russia invaded Ukraine and and Putin kind of thought yeah they're gonna one they're gonna invite us in that wasn't true um and two they're the the the Europeans and Americans they won't do anything they'll and moan they might put a couple sanctions but they're not going to really do anything and that's not what happened at all so now China is watching that and China was was thinking to themselves if that goes well we'll invade Taiwan because we'll get the same treatment but now they're like okay if we invade Taiwan on and these guys put an embargo on us and kind of quarantine us like in six months we're starving to death they can't feed themselves right so that's a problem that's what that guy zahan says right Peter Zane or whatever his name is yeah yeah listen to him he's he's a smart dude yeah and yeah he also talks about the the Gap in um in um their Workforce there's a huge because of the one China policy what's that I'm sorry one China policy the one child per family policy oh so there's like for like 30 years or so 30 to yeah I think is it 30 to 40 years no it's about so so I think it's I think it's almost 40 years so like 35 years let's say China basically they were concerned that they were growing too fast and they were afraid that like the new generation was gonna like eat them out of existence like we're not able to feed ourselves and we've got everybody's having kids and stuff so they said you can every family can have one child yeah so two things happened one the bulk of the people that did have children ended up having boys they're dropping they're giving away girls they're you could you could listen in the 80s and 90s um in 2000 you could if you wanted to adopt a a girl Chinese a Chinese little Chinese girl they were you could get one because they were giving them up left and right or they were aborting them or they were um like abandoning them so what happens is the bulk of children are male in China right so it's like a huge like it's like two or two men for every one woman or three men for every one woman so that's a problem and the second problem is that in order to pay for the retirees you have to be able to replenish your Workforce well they have a huge gap in their Workforce so you don't have enough people to fill the jobs and you don't have enough so that means that the economy is going to decline and then those people that are paying in there's not enough money being generated to pay for the retirement of the older generation so there's like this huge gap so now if you and I if I'm married I have to take care of my parents your parents and probably some other parents like how do you how do you how do you do this a lot it's a lot to come up with and these jobs aren't being filled because there's not enough people to fill the job so the economy is going to shrink like uh Peter Zohan or whatever his name Zane Zane yeah he's saying like listen 10 years from now they're going to be devastated they're they're already seeing the effects 10 years they'll be devastated 30 years from now that whole country's collapsing and they all know that it's the same the same thing's happening in Russia you know the United States we have a slight dip but not a huge one keep in mind too like in World War II and stuff like we didn't lose as many people as everybody else did and we came in our we came back our economy boomed other economies didn't Boom for for decades it took to recover so if you're broke you don't have kids you know we came back and there was baby boomers like people started getting jobs the economy bloomed they're having kids other around the world that didn't happen um so there's this massive and here's the problem is that as that as that Workforce isn't there if you said okay well here's what we're gonna do we're start promoting like in Japan they promote you to have children that's great but those kids will be ready to work in 25 years or 20 years what do you do we need them now yeah you know so it's only going to get worse it's a thing too like the media all of a sudden like turned this whole they turned the whole narrative like China China China that everything's got everyone's got to be worried about China there's this spy balloon this China spy balloon so they're trying to like the media narrative everyone left and right like they they both United against China everyone's United against China right now did you see that video on Tick Tock where they have like 40 or 50 newscasters all things the same oh my it was like it was literally like they must have emailed all of them at the same time and all they literally they're they don't even rewrite it they they're reading it verbatim What the guy is telling them to say it was so air it's like Oh no you're not you're not basically just an arm of the federal government Michael I'm going to text this to you but yeah anyway so we're like we're like United against China right now so like the US the both the left and right are both like in line with going after China or like trying to paint China as the bad guy yeah and that's some people speculate that's because they know that we're gonna have to get involved in Taiwan yeah definitely I mean you don't want China taking over time well like China's they're very outspoken about basically they're just they they want to be the world power like the United States is right now they want to be they want to replace the United States they want to replace the dollar they want to replace the United States as being the yeah but here's the thing everyone paint like everyone paints all these scary narratives like uh like they have all these they're way more technologically advanced than us they can control our power grids they can control all this stuff but they're not they're not doing anything I think because I think we are Leaps and Bounds ahead of China when it comes to any of this stuff we're Leaps and Bounds ahead of anybody else in the world we spent literally a trillion dollars just south of a trillion dollars last year on the military industrial complex like that's that's the next nine countries in line that's more than all of them combined right it's insane yeah and if you look at someone like the Blue Sky research some of these scientists are doing and like these companies like DARPA and like these the stuff that they're researching and like look at those drones that are off the Coast bro like that there's there's got to be there's no I I can't fathom that the people that are like in the the people who are running like the military industrial complex and the people that are in these organizations like these private military contractors they're not worried about China like the stuff that they're doing and and testing and researching has got to be more than two decades ahead of China right but but I mean you know to to sit there and say oh well what do you know we we do our own independent you know investigations we we we look into things we don't get our marching orders from the federal government are you serious like that was like like the US government sent out a massive email and then like the Twitter files yeah where they're like oh yeah listen we need this post taken down we need this taken down we need this done uh we need to suppress this we need to and then they lie like the whole time they're saying this is what you're doing they're like no we're not no we're not then Elon Musk takes over and says yeah yeah you are and then they're like oh well we're not going to talk about that anymore right it's like you know hey we're going to raid Trump's office and we're gonna get him and we're gonna throw him in jail because he's holding these these papers these secret papers and then you find out that Biden's got a bunch of and then they say okay well let's drop that it's also it's also doing it's also so weird that like and just like the government a lot lines they're all aligned left and right when it comes to war they're locked up they're they're in full agreement on war like let's spend all this money on war let's let's do it we're gonna go invade uh Ukraine and then we're gonna go fight Russia and then we're gonna go help Taiwan right and oh if you don't support Taiwan who are you you're racist you're a sexist you're a homophobe well okay so so one there's a whole slew of Republicans that don't want to give Ukraine any money they're like we don't need to be involved in it there are a huge slew of of Republicans but here's the problem um I mean I don't know their name but I've seen the I've seen tapes where they're like we're given so much money to them and it's ridiculous and we could we we have people homeless people here and it's mostly Republicans but here's the problem I think feel like they're and it looks like I'm I'm extremely conservative but it's to me it's like stop it bro you guys know damn well you can't let Putin just start invading countries and I think they're only doing that because because Biden's behind it like if Trump was in in the office you guys would be behind him you know what I'm saying there's some people they just want to get votes right right and I'll bet you the moment if Trump got back in office I'll bet all of you guys would step in line saying yeah well let's send them tanks what you were saying you know and then of course the the Democrats that are now saying let's send them this listen and that would be like no we need to back all you know someone's so stupid well that also the US isn't helping negotiate a peace deal between them they're they're actually like not like actively not trying to negotiate a peace deal because they want to spend more money and then they and then when eventually when the contracts to rebuild Ukraine come in that's gonna those are gonna be U.S contracts right well they can't rebuild imagine how China negotiated a peace deal between the Ukraine and Russia but that would be terrible for us first of all Putin isn't going to pull back and they're saying we're not going to accept anything unless you pull back like you guys have to pull all your troops back we get our entire country back and we can negotiate a piece and so they're they're at odds neither one of them want to budge um but the problem is once again that you've got a problem because Ukraine has so many fewer people even though Ukraine is killing like it's for every every one Ukrainian that dies like it's like three Russians die and you think man they're kicking ass that they are kicking ass but if you've got if you have let's say you know two million troops and Russia has well let's say let's say you have 200 000 troops and Russia has three million troops like yeah you're kicking ass you guys are taking out a lot of their guys yeah but it's not numbered it's only 600 you're only going to be able to take out 600 000 before you're gone and they still have four uh 1.4 million and Putin doesn't care about throw and wave after wave of these guys because he can't lose because if he loses like you don't in Russia you don't typically retire to your dacha in the mountains and and and do well like the new guy comes in and says the coffers are empty they've been robbing the country for the last 20 years go arrest this guy and so now he ends up in prison or he ends up dead like he knows like he's only got one choice I've got to stay in power as long as possible that's a that's a scary situation yeah he's probably the richest man in the world I mean you know they're probably very close to it yeah because they always because those guys don't they don't really tell their wealth so and he's been robbing you know robbing the coffers for 20 is it 20 years 30 is it 30 years you have to get some of it has he been in power for 30 years 2020 I think it's been like 20 25 years 25 years yeah at least like yeah I think it's like 20 20 or 25 years right it was early early 90s yeah well The Wall came down in 90 I think or 89 or 90. yeah it was 89 and then in 90 and then 91 all the company countries basically the broke apart here's the thing about that area the control of different parts of that area of the world have always been interchanging like throughout our history right right and just because Russia they only really wanted like their Dom boss reason region they didn't really I don't think they wanted all of Ukraine well what they want final play I think they want he wants all of those uh Eastern um Soviet the former Soviet Bloc countries I think he wants them off but the reason he wants them about black or wants them back this is what kills me is everybody says well he wants them as a buffer zone because there's so much flat land between like Moscow and and um and Eastern Europe that you can basically just drive straight to mm-hmm you know like you could just drive straight there like there's no defense there's no mountain regions or anything but my problem with that is that is that like so I need I want to invade your country so it's a buffer zone between us and like that's ridiculous you don't get that's just what are you doing you're gonna invade my country because I'm a buffer zone like that that's your argument well NATO is too close to us yes but NATO is not invading well we feel threatened well I'm sorry about that but maybe you feel threatened because you're invading other countries it doesn't make sense and you know the all these countries are ridiculous the same thing with you XI ji ping like he's well we do have them surrounded we literally have them completely surrounded we have launch pads in every single one of those countries I agree but do you see the United States invading uh Russia why I'm saying if if he just are they creating a reason right now to invade Russia the Russians invaded another country like if they invaded that country if they took Ukraine they took Ukraine do you think that who took Ukraine Russia if Russia took Ukraine do you think that in do you think he would stop there or do you think in two years he'd he'd take something else he would probably take something else yeah I think he just he'd just keep going because that's what bullies do like you know and Russians really only respect strength like I mean that's I that's just the bottom line they only same thing with the Chinese they only respect um strength and they think Americans you know I I just they I just don't think they have any respect for Americans they just think they were weak they don't think we have the stomach for war that's what the Japanese did we don't right well that's well sometimes like look at the Japanese the Japanese in World War II thought look here's the problem they were arguing over oil well you know gas and or oil so they were arguing over oil with the United States and the United States have embargoed them Japanese came and they were arguing and they realized they weren't getting anywhere because they had invaded China so they thought here's what we're gonna do we're going to if we can take out the Pacific Fleet from the United States so we're going to go into Hawaii we're gonna Pearl Harbor take out their entire fleet if we can they're going to have such a disastrous um a disastrous uh defeat in Pearl Harbor they'll negotiate that's not what happened at all no the opposite house right that's like Osama Bin Laden saying thinking if I can crash the towers then the United States will pull back they'll get they'll say hey we don't have the stomach for this and pull back but that's not what happens like the United States get they we get nuts and then we overreact right now we're invading two or three countries everybody yeah so I think that's don't you think it's crazy though that like the politicians and the government will spend trillions of dollars to like to to protect the freedom of other countries but we can't pay Elementary School teachers more than twenty thousand dollars a year and you've got you've got veterans that are sleeping on the streets yeah you know yeah like it's it's you know you're not funding the VA you don't get to vote on what the tax dollars are spent on like we don't get to vote like you can take okay every single American you're gonna pay a thousand dollars to fund this war we don't get to choose any of that right they do it yeah I mean you know I don't know I think you know the problem is I think that if you were if the American public had had the ability to help dictate what money was spent on one it'd be spent probably a lot better but two we probably wouldn't have half the stuff we have because like what well I think like like our infrastructure um our infrastructure yeah like roads like like there's tons you know roads there's our roads and airports are dog compared to other countries even Trump said that I I understand that well so did Obama Obama was like this is like it's bad what I'm saying is is that you have to say okay there are certain projects that you have to be funded right like we're going to spend whatever you know half a billion dollars to look into building this sub and they look into it and they do all this research and they build it and it doesn't work out and they cancel the policy like they cancel the project and the subs cut up and sold for scrap it's and people would be going nuts but the truth is those are building blocks like dumping a bunch of money into NASA like spending all this money in NASA why so that we can go to the Moon which didn't do really any good other than to say hey look we're better than the Soviets at this um so people would say you guys spent like uh you know three trillion dollars over the course of five years like that's insane that was back in the 70s like that's that's insane but I I kind of feel like those are important programs because you know we got a bunch of stuff out of it it helped Advance a lot like a health Advanced Plastics rubbers um it helped Advance um you know um what is it we got um opticals we got stuff for cameras for um what do you call it uh um contact lenses you got a computer chip like it it forced them to come up with all of these inventions that they never would have done you know did we lose a bunch of money yeah but the government really shouldn't be in the business of making money sometimes they have to spend money on stupid unfortunately and I think that the the public wouldn't understand that you know that's my you know my takeout let me keep in mind too the Publix knew how much money were spent on the military they'd be like no this is ridiculous let's just let's just we'll just hunker down but what happens when they start invading then it's like where's our military well you didn't want to spend any money on the military remember you guys wanted free health care well we wanted to buy these new Jets we're spending a trip yeah we're spending a trillion dollars a year on the military yes let's just take a billion and spend it on something in the country like let us get a little bit well I'm not asking for a lot Hey listen you I'm dying for free health care like I hear you I hear you but you know I also like the idea that I'm not really concerned about you know the um the Chinese invading you know I'm not concerned what do you think about if China and Russia are teaming up right now what do you think I don't really think they are teaming up because it's working for China's benefit to they're buying cheap cheap fuel and I also don't really think that China is planning on invading um Taiwan anytime soon like like they don't have like to get across that straight right that the Waterway between the two Bustamante said he thinks that they're going to evade before the new the presidential election no like they don't I don't I I don't I can't I can't believe that first of all that you need special teams that guy's a geopolitical Galaxy I hear you I hear you I mean that's I know that's just stupid to go up against busamanta but I'm saying that I was I've been watching a bunch of videos and so that makes me an expert um like he probably can call a general or something they'd be like yes um no he's xcia right I know I know I'm the one that told you you've got to interview this guy who is he I don't know two weeks later bro did you call him what who is this again what does he want I don't know literally bugged me to call Bustamante for like six months before I called him now look at that guy then he calls him Bustamante blows up he won't return a text from me you said you'd come on my program it's like it's he's working on something big right now he's about to be worldwide insane yeah he's stepping on the backs of little people climbing the ladder I get it oh that how dare you probably won't talk to you he's not probably gonna talk to you in six months he'll be like Danny Jones God that sounds familiar oh um but I I think look I I think to move that many troops so petty uh I was gonna say like you know like you need specialty crafts to move that many people to get them on the beaches of Taiwan like they don't have they have those they don't they don't have anything you've seen their new ships they don't have enough listen as of two weeks ago I watched a couple of videos where they were like this they don't have them they can build them fairly quickly but they just don't have enough to move that many people and they're going to lose a ton of people going across that straight they're gonna it it would be a blood bath and here's the thing here's what I heard too and I heard this from what if Russia helps them Russia can't drive to Kiev they can't drive there like they ran out of they ran out of fuel they they they logistically they're they're not capable of even Dr making a drive 150 miles outside their border they're damn sure not gonna go all the way to China and be able to help them what are they going to help them with they don't have Landing crafts they got bombs I mean yeah they got some bombs do they still live in here they got planes they got some planes like look like we have let's say um whatever let's say 550 or however many you know F-22 Raptors right and we have like f-35s and and so we've got whatever let's say roughly five or six hundred of them like they have like their their their version of that I forget the name of it it's really cool looking um they've got like 80 or 100 um like that's it that's the remember they keep they kept saying why aren't they using these in Ukraine Their Fear is they're going to get them shot down that they're just not as effective as everybody says like nothing about the Russians worked out all of these things that the United States and everybody was saying how amazing the Russians were and how advanced their military was like look what happened they got more nukes thank God they haven't used a nuke yet that's if they even take off like who knows bro come on I I'm I'm serious their trucks are breaking down their tires they don't rotate their tires on their trucks half the tires were falling off they couldn't even drive their trucks like this they're not taking care of anything they're right now they're they're doing you really think that their nukes probably don't work you think there's a chance of course they're 30 40 years old 50 years old this is 30 40 50 year old technology that's been sitting at Silo do you think they're keeping do you think they're they haven't been doing tests though that's what I'm saying because they don't even take their trucks and rotate the tires like you're giving money to generals that are underpaid that are using it to spend it on other things Putin thinks oh we've all of our guys have night goggles and um uh and body armor like no they don't I understand no no they have to we gave them money for that yeah they bought some of them some of the special troops might have them you know but the bulk of these guys are using like walkie-talkies from like Radio Shack I mean it's it's you know you've seen that like why they should have crushed Ukraine they should have crushed them they didn't what happened your forces 10 times as big the the country borders your country you should have driven straight into the capital and crushed them and you didn't like that's not that's not a solid Ally like that's not how do they you know and as far as missiles like China doesn't need Russian missiles China has a whole Divi they have a whole sect sector of their army just dedicated to missiles like we have like the the Army Navy Air Force Marines they've got another one which is just a missile division interesting it's huge I mean it's and that's like because they're gonna well probably bomb the out of Taiwan if they can't take it really I mean they obviously they can bomb just the beaches and strategically but I don't know I just don't see them I don't see them invading because I just think that we'll there will be a huge embargo on everything Chinese and the Chinese will be yeah they're massively starving death in six months to a year they're you know the the US is already doing these they're doing these war game simulations right where like all the people in the military and the government they like play this game where they all play characters in this like fictional War scenario between uh Taiwan and China where China is invading Taiwan and they like they're basically like creating this science fiction scenario on like what do we do like you people play China you people play Taiwan and we're gonna play the US okay do what you do to invade like and we're going to try to see if we can figure out the right move and see what happens and they're like doing these crazy simulations and and almost and that was there was a a think tank in uh Washington DC and this was like three months ago they did all a bunch of simulations and they said like Taiwan if Taiwan can survive for three days on their own which is long enough for us to move like battleships and get there to help them if we come to their aid then they can probably do like an 80 chance that they can stay off an invasion but that's if the United States helps the United States doesn't help then ultimately they fall with anything they said three months I think they said they can't last more than was it 60 or 90 days without the United States help and with the United States help there was like an 80 chance I forget what the chance was but they had to be able to hold their own for like three days because for us to you know you got to load up the ships you got to get there have you ever seen the there's a graphic where it shows all the military bases the U.S owns around the world oh they're everywhere and you compare it to China even with the uh what's their um uh what's their thing they have the road what's it called uh uh the the Belt Road yeah yeah the China's belt and Road initiative where they have like all these airports and and uh factories and all this thing all these things all around the world but if you look up the US's base it's like 10 times that everywhere it's insane yeah but I mean that's also part of that you know trillion dollars that we're spending to maintain all the tax money and pay all of that and the the other thing is you gotta think like how far does that trillion dollars go compared to the CCP spending like they're not paying they're not paying ten dollars for a light bulb you know they're paying a few cents for a light bulb like you know our money doesn't go as far as theirs so they are spending a lot of money they do have a ton of troops a ton of people um yeah I saw something recently where our the US Army's having trouble recruiting people yeah who wants to work they like it they made a video I saw this video on YouTube I forget who posted it but it was uh I think it was actually on Fox News posted on YouTube where they the US Army posted a video of like a a trans like a guy dressed like a woman like doing some sort of song and dance like for the US Army trying to recruit people like young people to join like trans people to join the Army so sad bro I was like those aren't the people you want to recruit to the US Army that should have like Matt Cox like shooting up some tests at the gym jackets of Steel let's just say that's like the butt that's like the Bud Light campaign let's alienate everybody that Dr that drinks our beer right that's like what were you thinking you know like and then her explanation the the head of marketing you know you know it's been a bratty kind of a you know kind of a um or not sorority uh a frat boy immature humor like these are the people that buy your beer like what are you doing did you see that video of her no oh my God she their head of marketing was a is a female and she she I saw a picture of her came up I can see a video yeah she came up with the campaign and then she was explaining she was doubling down on it when it started going bad saying you know well we needed to be more inclusive the brand is in Decline we need to be more inclusive well there's inclusive and then there's alienating and what you did was you included less than one percent of society and you excluded 100 of your of of the people that currently buy your brand right right right like and you insult them and then you go on and insult them they're like fraternity boys immature you know bratty and it's like what are you doing that's your customer yeah that's your customers like don't insult your customer I mean I'm not a I'm not a marketing genius but I'm pretty sure that you don't know it's about people that are buying your brand I understand you want more I get it I love what carrill said about it what did you remember what he said in that comment he's like beer sucks it's like drinking bread like that you know they're selling it like Costco now for like that like a case of beer for like a dollar 25 or a dollar like it's insane I hate beer they're desperately trying to and you know they're desperately trying to get rid of that beer now like it's piled going to Costco like there's like it's like an empty like like the beers are empty like cores and all these other ones like the shelves are empty with that and and there's a there's all the Bud Light brands are still there I also heard Costco's got their own brand of golf balls now yeah and they're selling them for like super cheap they've been doing that have they so they ripped off the pro v1x and they had to change their golf ball because it was basically the same exact one as the Titleist so Tyler is like a quarter of the price Lexi's brother Tyler was had to change it saying that he was like trying to get up there he wanted everybody to go Lexi to go up there and get him and she went up there to go get some balls and I'm like for that sheep and like hell yeah give me like three boxes of them yeah and they were sold out the guy at Costco is like yeah they come in and they're off the shelf same day yeah there's Kirkland's and apparently um Costco is trying to come up with like a bunch of golf they're gonna start making clubs and they sell clubs already oh really yeah Costco brand no I forget what brand they sell I want to get a Costco set a club or maybe it's not Costco maybe it's maybe it's Sam's I think it's Costco anyways beer oh really beer I think that was over yeah that's this is uh a dollar you said well how much it was like a dollar seventy five or a dollar twenty five like it was super I just remember things up on that dude I just remember thinking my God like and the guy was like they're practically giving it away because they had just they were just stacked up isn't it so weird that we're the only aren't we the only country that like has all this infighting about like people trying to be different genders or like trying to train like because even like because when you even talk to people in Europe like people in France or Germany or like some of these like left-leaning sort of like semi-socialist countries right they're not super conservative right they're kind of they're kind of liberal and they're a lot of young people they just look at it and they laugh they're like it's so weird what's going on in the U.S when you hear people's perspectives who aren't in the U.S especially it's like they're like it's I don't know it's not going on in any other countries I mean definitely not places like Russia obviously because they're like they're war-torn country that's been you know through crazy yeah but they have they have real things that work exactly it's like it's so it's funny how if there if there was a war right now like a major war like a serious War not like we're sending off our current existing troops to go fight some war that doesn't really affect the United States the continental United States actually got invaded like if suddenly yeah exactly like all that would be out the window all of it my fear is that the that the youth these are the people that would have to help fight that war my God could you imagine if if 1920 22 year old kids had to help fight a war right now the kids that are being raised like they're it's really well isn't it isn't it like their driver's licenses isn't it the same thing as what happens to late stage Empires like like what happened in Rome like elapsed they start and wait exactly like starts happening like they start looking for more things to to battle against or they'll start looking when there's no real external threats they start like eating themselves from the inside and looking for more problems I mean I I that's kind of what I feel like like you don't have real problems in your life so you're manufacturing these issues that I have to call you he she or I have to or you know that you I you want me to acknowledge that you're you know whatever binary or whatever the hell that is and you know it's like like these are what you're arguing over like and they and it's like it ties into media and politics and people they love it people they politicize it for votes people like AOC they just amplify it just so they can get more people to follow them and vote for them and like whatever happened to her she's still out there chirping the Republicans she's off all her committee she's like is she if they did she went nuts when they started pulling her she was just off of a bunch of committees and she was just talking about some guy that happened in some guy in New York I guess got killed there was like there was like some homeless guy on a train in New York and he was like threatening a bunch of people and then some like Marine I guess put him in a Chokehold and killed him by accident okay and uh and I guess he didn't get charged with murder he was it was a homicide but I guess like there was other people trying to restrain this guy who was going crazy right the guy put him in a choke hold and the guy suffocated he died right and um so there's people riding there's people in the streets protesting about this like saying that that guy that Marine should have gotten put in prison for murder and AOC is like out there tweeting like oh this guy's a murderer like of course she is like you never hear anything about the transgender that ended up going in and killing all those kids um you know a month ago oh yeah you don't hear anything about that yeah that was everywhere when it happened was it for like well we forgot about it already yeah if that if that had just been a regular white kid um if we'd be hearing about it right now you'd still be hearing it but you couldn't hear anything else about it bro that was a terrifying video did you watch the video of that like the cops video footage from this oh yeah going in going out they're walking through the classrooms like these little baby chairs like these little kids sit on and they're like running through like clearing it and oh my God there's just the mental mental cases that are out there when do we become a type 2 or a type 1 we're a type zero right now when do we become a type 1 civilization I don't know what that is yeah what is that type one civilization you're just gonna stop interviewing all these smart people I can't come I haven't interviewed these people type one civilization is when we become a global species or are we to start thinking of ourselves as earthlings not just Americans Russians Chinese and we stop becoming these territorial Apes bombing each other and trying to invade and take more territory I think we gotta get to another planet create a colony on another planet maybe that'll help yeah that would probably help huh yeah Elon no because it would still it would still be us though but then it's a whole planet of us yeah but then you're saying you've got a so what are you saying because I'm saying like like progress like we progress you're saying this Earth be a type one yeah you become type one because the only way I'm gonna just have a one world government a type one yes you would that type one civilization is able to access all the energy available on its planet and store it for consumption a type 2 civilization can directly consume the energy of a star like the Sun finally a type pre-civilization is able to capture all the energy emitted by the guys well we don't worry about that yet that's way deeper than I do yeah no like I we ain't even talking about people no so type one right but type one is like we're already sort of on our way to type one right like we have these like we're we're regressing we're becoming more Global in a sense like we have the internet right we're all connected to the World Wide Web it's a slow step some countries aren't some countries aren't that phrased energy specifically though yeah yeah they were talking about like so yes resources so when you start becoming like type 2 civilization then you can like travel throughout the Universe like right obviously that means you get off the planet and you can move interstellarly like between stars like between our between well we went there I'm a fraudster between yeah haven't you had some scientists like is this a question you I'm not I'm really honestly not even uh really um versed enough to talk about half the stuff we've already talked about you can't take anything we've said so far for truth exactly like I'm not that's why I'm interested because you have an outside perspective I'm wondering like like I think I've been thinking about it like the type zero right now we're type zero we're monkeys with with bombs that's basically all we are just trying to make money like everything everyone who has gets any sort of power or money all they do is just try to get more and they try to take it from other people it's the basics of what you did right you found a way to exploit a system and you kept gaming it and gaming it and gaming it until you eventually got caught and couldn't do it anymore and it's that's like what we're doing we're not looking out for our own species we're not trying to to better ourselves as a speaker Elon is do you I mean yeah he's like to him he's like he's dumping a ton of money into a venture that honestly is he ever really going to get that money back to go to Mars for what reason yeah to build a colony why because I think we should be an interesting well he's getting it from the goal of the money he's getting paid by the government to do all this stuff right yeah some no well some of it some of it it's not like he's using his own money he's getting a lot of it he is using his own money it's funny too because not for not for um not for SpaceX though he's got a lot of people like did you watch that documentary about him on Netflix yeah he has a lot he has a lot of he's getting recouped for a lot of money right yeah for you know doing things like you know bringing up satellites and things like that but is he making back all of his money and who knows if he would or not look at what's his name Bezos like Bezos is not in getting any of the contracts like he goes up against Elon loses loses loses but he keeps dumping money into it because of course he's one of the richest man in the world so he can like to me it's like if I had that kind of money where I'm not going to run out of it I would probably do something absolutely ridiculous like that like like I'm not gonna run out of money let's see if we I pretty much got everything I mean elon's got so much money that he doesn't even care anymore like he's sleeping on people's couches and sleeping in like like nothing matters yeah exactly like hey let's drop one of these little these little rooms that I'm building here these little cubicle things and drop it and what are those things that you know what I'm talking about they bring him in on a yeah yeah yeah but like what are they called they're called tiny Hills tiny houses oh yeah they're kind of like tiny things they are tiny houses yeah so he's like he's got one of those so he can sleep there like he doesn't really he owns a couple houses he didn't sleep in like pre-fabricated homes right like he trailers you've seen him like he's just he's a mess they're built in factories and there's dropped there and then you've got then you've got Jeff Bezos who has got like five Yachts gotten around town how about him getting all buff getting him he's all good jacked now he's on test d-ball he's running around with like like 21 year olds on his yacht he's all zipped up you know what's so funny it's so funny his transition from nerd to like billionaire playboy did you ever see the interviews when he first started uh oh yeah total geek bro same with Elon too you see like his early yeah yeah yeah he was bald now he's got a full head of hair hey I heard you guys did a deal with some Turkish hair loss company no I didn't do it you need to hook me up bro my Corners are getting yikes that they got they have them in um they have a clinic in uh in Mexico so you don't even have to go to Turkey oh really yeah but I'm probably really good it's not it's not FDA regulated so it's probably good it's just surgery it's the same surgery they do here oh is it the same yeah yeah you have to go to Mexico no because it's cheaper super cheap like the guy why would he go to Mexico for everything right why would he come here and compete with American doctors is doing the same thing he can go to Mexico I want the guy who did your hair I want that guy just to fill in the corners like maybe a quarter inch I don't know that guy I want one more surgery really oh we had a talk and everything but the problem is in the end I mean we started GoFundMe in the end I'm gonna have to come up with you know you got to come up with a few grand I have to explain to my my probation officer that I'm going to get a hair you know hair graft she's gonna be like yeah couldn't you maybe throw that towards your restitution how can we scam your insurance company into paying for your hair I mean health insurance companies are the biggest scam artist in the world we got to be able to get them back somehow I don't have health insurance oh you don't no that's sad I know what if something happens health insurance I got help you you can't get your your they pieced you back together like Jesus like an old car they rebuilt you like them every time I hear about all this stuff that was titanium but it's like the Scarecrow you look fine though you walk far like I wouldn't think you were like you know in all the accidents and you're back and oh my God he's up you should start the surgery made it better man but you seemed fine you don't we already don't like sit weird or or hunch or I got a weird walk do you yeah my back's like my back's up well you seem fine but my equilibrium was like up here did we talk about last time you were here to me talk about your heart your heart rate I don't know yeah I think we did what's wrong with your equilibrium oh that's all up since some accidents and really I get like you ever get that ringing sound in your ears oh yeah if I drink like three cups of coffee I get it a lot I have it all the time yeah I get it probably at least once a day really I get it right it just goes It goes like full you know we're all tuned out oh that loud yeah oh sure I go to totally deaf I have like mild tinnitus but it's only for like 10 seconds it like fades in and Fades out I got my blood work done you might have uh you might be getting directed energy you might be like targeted by the CIA might be like bro I had a guy Carson said it's aliens talking to me oh god listen I got my blood work done the other day oh yeah let me tell what's your test levels they were everything was it like they give you a range like between you know your whatever is between should be between 200 and 250 right or what whatever for what I'm saying in general just this should be between 1200 and you know 1500 and mine would be like 13 12. you know this should be between 300 and 375 and mine's like you know 300 and you know I'm almost always right in the middle and then you got to testosterone and it was with the ranges it's 200 to like 650 or something 250 no it's 250 to 1100 okay my mine's like 15.60. oh nice and I was like you're pinned wow and and you know I called Ryan root and he's like ah it's fine he's like he's like yeah they don't care yes that's good bro it's good you feel good right I feel great yeah that's good it's good rock hard baby how's your libido yeah it's uh yeah I'm but I'm hungry all the time what's your dose I don't even know because Jess gives it to me you don't know how many milligrams you're taking no how often do you take it how often you shoot uh twice twice a week twice a week but listen I'm in I'm I'm I'm I'm strong God I want to get back on is so bad like I'm I'm like like I can do I can do like 30 dips I do like four or five sets of 30 dips I do wow pull-ups four or five sets of 30. I've never been able to do pull-ups like I knew pull-ups behind my head I can do like this yeah oh easy easy wow I don't mean like one I mean we're talking about look at them how many pull-ups can you do Shane oh my shoulder would pop out bro one pull-up camera one pull up one pull up a lot of shoulder out it might not be fba's all the time so it's got to be all right yeah but he went I think he went to um Columbia yeah no the guy on this podcast said they go right over the Border in California right down there oh Tijuana yeah yeah there's one T1 right to Tijuana they put you up in the five-star hotel juicy up they got they got saunas they got hyperbaric oxygen Chambers they got a spa there they'll just drive right back over the Border oh yeah it's full treatment it's like eight grand for the week they gave you multiple sessions like you go in there on a Monday we started GoFundMe for that bro you already got the GoFundMe just ask ask the boss man yeah they ain't funding that um I don't have to be like I want to do anything are you just on the test or what else no I also take a um I think an estrogen blocker oh you take that yeah only because like so you did your blood work and your estrogen was too high no no it's just because when I started taking the test like my one of my gyno yeah my one well and you know keep in mind too like they're gone like the glands are gone oh you got them removed yeah really I had two surgeries one they cut them in half it started growing back when oh this is when I was younger 20 27. oh yeah cause you said you were taking that when you were young right so then they removed them so then they just removed them but still something must still be in there because I started getting this a little bit of a pain in my in one of my breasts right like right I hate to say breasts because but but it just started kind of hurting a little bit right like I was like that hurts I heard so I I talked to Ryan and um we ended up getting he said look just take like this as you need it like take like half a tablet every time so I took half a tablet boom it's gone and other than that I feel great other than the fact that I'm hungry all the time but you look phenomenal right you don't look fat I I you look the only reason I feel fat I can hear like a Bulldog like a little Bulldog dude you know the only reason I I feel fat because I weigh like 180 pounds and I'm like this is you weigh 180. damn yeah they weigh the same yeah way like away a little over 180.

[01:50:20]like I was typically like I want to be like 170. I feel like I need to lose like 10 pounds how long should I wait till I go back till I go on I don't know why you got off it like what was the reason why he never does anything more in like one week I did it I did it for a month and I felt just like the best way I can describe it is I felt over stimulated all the time well then pillow her nose I did I started I dozed down and then I started doing it water it down I started doing um the injections every other day just like I split it into threes right so I did it three times a week and I still felt like I felt a little bit less overstimulated but then look so I did my blood work pre-doing the testosterone were you working out yeah I was always working out okay so I did my blood work pre-testosterone and my test level was like 7 30. right something like that in the middle so I got in the middle of the month when I was doing the testosterone I did my blood work again and it was like 6 40.

[01:51:21]I stopped right I stopped the end of November it makes sense I know I stopped the end of November test and then I got a my blood work done again end of January I'm back up to 750.

[01:51:36]how did you never where are you going how did you ever get out the same place everybody goes bro you're going to that lady with those fake machines no what's her name literally the blood work I got I got the they're just typing them up I got literally like the most comprehensive blood panel that you money can buy they were the lady had the needle in my arm and she you know they fill up those vials she had like a grocery bag full of those they were falling on the ground everywhere I'm like helping her pick them up she had like 30 of them it was insane that she did they did like they tested everything like literally everything you could possibly have and I don't know for some reason it was lower I wish I had money to burn I'm like what's the cheapest one I need to testosterone can I just sit there no I'm sorry it's a whole panel okay well that's all I need though yeah like listen I win I might have had like there's different Esters like there's cypionate enanthae there's like three different Esters you can take one that La recipient lasts the longest the uh that's what I'm taking has a shorter Half-Life um so I don't know I gotta I got I don't know I wanna try it again but I want to figure out I'm like at 750 right now so I don't want to like there's really no need I mean yeah that's where you're basically supposed to be yeah all right so when I was like probably where I am normally I mean this thing is off the charts I don't know what's happening but when I first did it like the red line the first injection I did I feel bad for her sometimes the first injection I did I was like not already she's like what oh she's like enough already I'm 100. you know she's all like hey hey horned up Bulldogs he's walking around with one of those five gallon paint sticks you know stop it and that's humping legs in the kitchen that's hilarious but yeah no that's why I got off but I want to try it again I'm like I really want to try it again so I think I'm gonna try it again you know what's funny I wonder what would happen to boziak because you know he's Super Hyper sensitive to any type of any type of drug like you know you look I am too I am too you'd look at him you'd think he's taking he would he takes drugs like he doesn't listen he doesn't drink he doesn't take drugs he can't drink coffee he can't take aspirin like hey two 25 250 milligram gummies the first time he came in he listened no weeds of different now weeds different yeah he's big on me he does a lot of weed yeah no problem with weed but he has a major problem with any kind of medication like anything I like that too um so yeah he couldn't he couldn't take anything it's called a hyper responder it's horrible like it's horrible because he can't take anything for anything like if it's good if you're addicted to pills because then you save money yeah I guess so but if you need medication it's not good nothing he said if you're addicted to pills is good because you know you save money because you can't take them it's like it doesn't I don't know where that came from but I mean what if you need medication you can't take it yeah you just take a smaller dose you just break the thing in a quarter it does he takes like he'll take little like he'll take he'll have like a pull his back or something and he's and he's like he takes ibuprofen and he's he gets all like feels sick and really yeah it's like it's ibuprofen he's like I brought I'm like how much did you take he's like I broke a pill at a half he's like what do you mean right like I barely took any of it I'm like well that's not even gonna do anything I got a little pan popping a thousand ibuprofen oh a thousand milligrams I tell you my age I wake up that's just part of my routine I walk up to take three of it three 200 milligrams this guy got covet he's chewing up Vicodin bro that'll help right now two days later I was straight that's the secret left it off Ivermectin bro it's the Vicodin my grandma came over brought over 800 milligram Ibuprofen so Vicodin some cough syrup I'm laying on the couch she brings over a Ziploc bag of pills and some cough syrup here Shane take this I was straight two days later slept it off sweat it out I had covet again I've had it twice we're always had it three times damn I got it when I went to I went to um pod Fest we both got it Justin I both got it yeah really pod Fest Geeks got you know shaking hands and you know well co-fit up yeah um yeah did I tell you what happened I gave a speech it's about my speech no speech so I gave up I had to give a talk basically it was it was something like 60 000 subscribers like in two years or something I forget what the name of the speech was like how do you get like whatever you know like and I basically got up and just said look you know you you have to yeah I just gave like five tips right now here's what happened though so there's a room and I remember thinking like these guys are going on this app and they're trying to get people to go to their their little show right I never did that yeah I go to the show I go to the thing pod Fest it's okay it was five days it honestly could have been two so you say everything the first day and maybe you want to loop around again but after that so then they have these rooms that are broke up it is very professional like it's a super cool kind of thing for two days so then they have breakout rooms where you go and you talk to them they have big ones there's 500 people there sometimes there's a small one there's 150 people so I'm thinking nobody's going to be at my my thing I never tried to promote it I never tried to do anything I just told the guy that runs the place Chris I told him I'll do it he said okay so I go to do it Chris yeah Chris Chris Master whatever his name is yeah Chris K so I go and I'm also was on a panel so I go and I get there and I'm like like this place like it's packed the room is packed and somebody goes and they do a talk and that's great they do their talk more people are kind of coming in um the place is packed this guy doesn't talk and he sits down no big deal and then this other chick gets up and she does a talk and listen like halfway through the talk I remember looking over at Jess like this is the worst chick to follow up this chick's been doing this for five years she's polished I mean I was like Wow and Jess was like yeah she's good she's good and it was just full of support right it was just like wow so then she's done as soon as she's done I'm thinking okay great so now I get up to do mine and she and as I'm getting up to do mine and she says okay she's got the mic she kind of stops and she says listen if anybody else wants to talk about this or need some help or needs this or news this blah blah blah she said I'll be out in the hallway come on out in the hallway half more than that 90 of the room gets up and walks of the hallway there's like six guys left and then I went and did my thing so obviously I was fine because only a few people but but I sat there I thought wow like that like I would never do that to somebody yeah it was real like I wanted to go to her and say the did you just do yeah did you see what just happened like did you see what you did like would you want that done to you yeah that was up it was just such you know if it was anybody but me like if I was in the crowd like I probably would have been like I would laugh like oh my God that was horrible but I was like I was like wow well I'm not nervous now because there's nobody here because she should have thanked her yeah there was so there's maybe whatever let's say 15 or 20 people so I did my little speech whatever it was fine um but yeah I got sick like the next day when I got home I was all by the time we got home that night I was feeling achy yeah the next day super achy and so was just we both super sick that night and I was supposed to go to Ian bick fly up to see to be interviewed by Ian Bick do you know who he is I think so I think you sent me something about him yeah I supposed to go up there and I had to cancel the last minute and I've I still haven't really been able to go up there since then and so now when people say hey you should be on Matt Cox's podcast to Ian Bick he says that guy he canceled on me really and I'm like he really says that no I don't think he doesn't really say that guy he said no he kind of almost does he goes he's he basically is like he says like screw that man to hell with that guy he canceled on me I had covid like I had coveted I even texted him uh and get his flight reimbursed um no he said he he said he just lost it and I told him I said look I'll pay for my own flight and fly up I get it and he came back and I told him I said hey quit telling people that I cancel on you I had covet he's like yeah I get it but you said you'd be up here within a month and it's been a it's been like two months and I haven't heard from you since okay granted that's my fault but you know come on bro like I'm gonna get up there give me give me a minute first of all you invited me to fly up to your show you know how many needles you got to bring with me on the plane you invited me to fly up to your to do your podcast and you have like three thousand at that time if they get like 5 000 subscribers I think he's got like 30 or so he'll probably be at a hundred thousand before I'm at a hundred thousand like he's like he's probably listen he's he's booming people like him bro when is Tucker gonna start a podcast on YouTube I don't think he can he would take it down he was immediately built for the internet bro have you watched his full send podcast no oh my God it is so hilarious dude he is so funny when he's able to speak freely and he's not just like reading off a teleprompter I saw a video online where he was fishing in Central Park Central Tucker was yeah in New York yeah really yeah some guy comes up and like he's like turns around the guy's like oh you're Tucker Carlson are you supposed to be fishing yeah you can fish he's and he's like totally cool the guy starts talking to guys like no don't you need a license he's like nah people don't know that but you don't need a license he's a good fish any good he said not really anyway yeah he's a big hunter in Fisher and he likes to hunt and fish a lot but he oh he likes to uh he likes to hunt he's like a big bird hunting guy is he yeah my God he's already got 62 thousands what was that what do you mention how much do you bet no we use um you don't do bench yeah but but it's not a machine oh you like I don't actually use the bar how much how much do you in the machine like it's it's like 250 2-6 like it's it's almost the whole rack and I and I'm not doing by the way I'm not like barely going down like I'm going deep all the way down like all the way up yeah I don't do all that but yeah so but I start at like 225 I'll do like 225 then it goes like 2 45 then it goes like 255 and then it does goes to like whatever 15 or 20. the one where you're sitting up and you're like that is that the one I'm talking about I do a slight uh incline incline yeah so so it's not quite so I'm not length um you know yeah I like doing the incline too so you know that way you don't build like the tits down there you build up the top no I mean I do that I do flies on a machine you keep on I'm working with working out with Jess and then she's pretty jacked she is we do debt we do dips she's strong as all she looks like it and the worst thing is like I'm I'm my upper back strength at least double everything she does and yet when we wrestle I can't Pinner I can't it's it's I don't now I just don't even with her anymore it's gotten to the point where it's so embarrassing I mean that it's embarrassing it's like literally like I'm I'm like I don't understand like I'm I'm and I'm like I'm sitting there going I don't understand like I'm benching double what you're benching more than double and I can't get you off of me and you or it's ridiculous yeah she's got she's got my wife's like she's got a strength she does she does I'm glad she whispered that hopefully the algorithm didn't hear it I'm sorry I hate to say that I mean I know I know it but it is what it is like and I went to a school with kids with special needs like I know it's a serious this is real it's real we had a guy named Rodney who had Down syndrome strong as yeah where's Rodney I don't know he was scary though he was he would chase you around like jono yeah God that is crazy how they are strong yeah they are really strong for no reason yeah it's ridiculous and Jess is like that and she's strong it's is it you okay I don't know I've drank two cups of coffee this is this is literally probably my fifth house this is your first time in here since we got the new AC I'm actually kind of cold you know what are you yeah I think it's a lot cooler now this looks I'm catching a little draft right here you like that yeah yeah that was the last time I saw it I'm getting ready to get a new studio where here or is someplace else not in this building but somewhere around here and then I get one and uh really big shot yeah yeah we're in a big Warehouse really Fantasy Factory Fantasy Factory Bud on Indian Rocks Beach seriously what you know why why like it bothers me wait until you see it and I like that jealousy feeling how would you be jealous because I feel like I'm I'm above that but I'm not because because I'm running my whole thing out of my out of my living room I'm running this whole listen people show up though it's fine it will show up and they're like this that they're like hey what's uh they look around like so does so does Lex Friedman he does it in his kitchen I I know I know but oh you know who I had on the other day um uh uh Brett Johnson oh yeah yeah I had him on here a while ago yeah this is the second time I've I've uh had him on oh really he's great yeah he is good yeah we were both both on the Secret Service as most wanted list yeah we both go back and forth back and forth oh I bet that's fascinating here you guys are it's it's uh hey what what's up with Rossini you told the story about him when he's when is he getting out of prison he didn't you ask me that the other day yeah but we didn't we're on air now so so um he so I mean literally he should be in a halfway house right now the problem is the halfway houses are packed and so he's they've there's just nowhere for him to go like he should be home he should be in a halfway house or on an ankle monitor right now like he's literally telling his case manager like have me go I'll immediately go on a on a you know I'll immediately go home like my home's already been approved like I in he probably will not be in a halfway house for six months and even then he may only get a month or two yeah no basically could be out where is he gonna move where's he gonna be um the halfway house like his mom is somewhere up I want to say in the Panhandle area but they tried to get him in a halfway house everywhere like like Ocala Orlando Tampa they're just all fully every place in Florida is four full it's packed with people that did artaxes yeah well and the halfway houses too that's so wild you know but great guy I can't wait to listen listen russini do you remember the other day when you not the other day it's probably a year or so ago you had a guy sit down and start and was talking about the cartel you're saying that Pete can tell you the origin of every single cartel how they've turned at the different factions why they become different became different factions the murders and double crosses he can tell you it's it's insane how much he knows he could sit here for six hours straight and tell you just about everything how does he know about it he just you know he's got to watch narcos he's probably got 180 IQ and really oh it's insane it's insane listen when I was doing his story this was the kind of stuff he would do it's funny too because as much as I despise devarolli he was super he was he was much like this only Pete's likable um and Pete would go you know I would say okay well when did this happen and he'd go oh God that um let me think that was uh uh he said okay so it would have been that was that was Tuesday the 12th and it'd go what yeah June it was a Tuesday it was uh on the 12th of June you know 1992 and you'd be like why did it rain man like how how do you know that he'd go well because I remember so-and-so's birthday was on this this date and I remember we moved it we went to this concert and it was two days after that concert and like he literally has this whole and he could do it all the time with everything and if you went back and double checked damn if he wasn't right really it was it's bizarre and he'll keep in mind too he's he's from Brazil right so he's he speaks Spanish speaks Portuguese so he'll you know listen I can't say Spanish words like he's or Portuguese and he or French or anything in these pronunciation is perfect he just you know he's one of those people that I talk to that I feel like you know you know you feel like you're like you're drooling when you're talking to him you're like yeah God like this is ridiculous and I feel like he's patiently talking to me like right like he's he's like he's like he's just putting up with me yes he just has like an incredible sense of time where he can put time stamps on anything that happened in different different things it's not just that it's not just that like he he like he'll talk to you about quantum physics and and he'll remember names I can't remember names for anything he'll remember the names the pronunciations when the book came out how this book it was I remember he was it was like 1100 pages and this and this and this and there's there's a chapter I think it's chapter 13. chapter 13 was about and you're like are you insane I can't tell you listen I'm gonna get him first I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna completely just just spend like two weeks with them and get as much information out of them as possible and then you can have him on here he'll tell you I want him on here with you I mean that's fine but he'll tell you about his case it'll take eight hours he knows every single date he has every single document it's insane in three harder it's insane he also he's extremely wordy like he has no content he reads what one book a day in prison how many books do you have I don't I don't know a lot and I mean not normal books these are like typically if I get a book I can give it to four other inmates he gets a book and you might as well just throw it away nobody else is reading that like Pete it's it's a it's a book on mathematics I know there's a whole chapter on the on on the comma what like what do you what yeah there's a whole it's it's it's just it's nuts so is he autistic he is mildly his I always say he's got a touch of Asperger's syndrome and you don't notice like you notice it when you first meet him but then as you get to know him you don't really notice it but when somebody else comes over you start to notice it again like with me he talks to me he looks me in the eye he has we have a conversation we're open he's very comfortable with me but somebody else comes over and he immediately hey how you doing and takes like four steps back like and you're like what's going on like like you don't notice it because we we could hang out all the time and then somebody else would come in and he'd do it and I'd be like oh that's right why is he in prison again short version short version is uh the the charge is basically um conspiracy to murder to Federal informants uh in his two FBI Federal informants that were both murdered um then supposedly he ordered the murders he ordered their murders in the disposal of their bodies and he'll he'll tell you look yeah I I didn't order the murders but I did dispose of the bodies through the bodies in the dumpster exactly that's exactly what it was um one of the bodies they found in the dumpster the other one they didn't and he's like you know what am I gonna do I came home the guy's dead you can't just leave a body we were it was a math lab I can't call the police the story was crazy what's the name you were did you write a story about that yeah yeah uh double exposed devil exposed I actually wrote I wrote so I have an Abridged version and then I have a full book the full book is basically it's like a true crime book The Abridged version is really more about the Crux of the case how they built the case against them and they're actually both really good the problem like I said that he has no concept of brevity at all he he'll it'll take him um two minutes to explain something that really would have taken about 20 seconds to explain he just he's very wordy he's very detail-oriented he thinks everything is important in the story he can't cut to the chase so but his research is amazing the problem is you have to read 2 000 words to end up saying okay here's 2 000 words I'm going to use 200 of them and he's oh are you serious what about what about this what about this irrelevant to the story Pete I'm sorry I I you know he's all all upset and then I'll I'll tell him I'll send him an email and I'll say I'll be like bro thank you so much this was great it was really informative I chopped it down to two paragraphs and and I'll say you really need to work on not sending so much information you know damn well I don't need to know every single thing about that person to introduce them and when they're only going to be in one scene so what exactly is he helping you with in prison the book um the book it's called we call it the company it's about the um the chip Heist all those chip Heist yes he's doing the research and listen from inside prison so during the pandemic they shut down the archives because these are old like they're all archived right like there's tons of articles but you can't get them on the Internet they were back in the late late 80s and 90s so and then all even a lot of the court documents are on the archives they're not on updated on the system like right now something 10 years ago you can go pull everything on my case on Pacer but this is back in the 80s and 90s these are this is on microfish yeah so he um we couldn't get into archives so Pete happened to be talking to his cousin who knew a girl that was actually dating a federal judge so he got to her got to the federal judge explained that he was doing research on this case and the archives was closed but he really needed it the federal judge calls down the people from The Archives and asks them to go and pull the file and boom we get a chunk of everything we want I end up having to pay for I think I paid like whatever it was 600 or something to get the research so now he's got all the stuff and he's res and he researched everything read all the trial transcripts read everything went through and highlighted it he ordered um uh tons of um newspaper articles on archives I end up having to join some archive system to pull articles and send those to them and then he just he's a machine he reads it and comes up with the information that you need but it's a super interesting story do you pay him no wow I've offered to put money on his books do this and that but keep in mind he's out of mind it's it's Pete and his mom that's really and some cousins so that's really all there is left his dad died when he was in prison you know and honestly you know how long has he been in oh Jesus almost uh over 25 years how old is he now he's exactly my age wow we're both 53 I think our birthdays are I think he's his birthday is a few days before mine maybe a week wow I want to say maybe he's June 5th I don't know I could look it up that's crazy man well Matt Cox has been enlightening how long how long has this been uh two uh two and a half hours 4 30 5 30. two and a half hours yeah wow thanks again well listen I uh thank you 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